Wednesday, October 7, 2009

REVIEW OF CATHOLICS UNITED FOR THE FAITH ARTICLE ' WITHOUT THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION'

This is a review of the article  Without the Church There is No Salvation available on the website of Catholics United for the Faith,USA.
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Without the Church There is No Salvation


ISSUE: What does the Catholic Church mean by the phrase, "Outside the Church there is no salvation" (extra ecclesiam nulla salus)?

RESPONSE: All salvation comes through Jesus Christ, the one Savior of the world (cf. Acts 4:12).

Lionel's Comment: Catholics United for the Faith (CUF) does not distinguish between explicit salvation (baptism of water and Catholic Faith) and implicit salvation (baptism of desire, invincible ignorance)

His Holy Spirit dispenses those graces through His body, the Church. "He who hears you hears me, and he who rejects you rejects me, and he who rejects me rejects him who sent me" (Lk. 10:16).

Comment: This is still a vague, general statement.

Quoting from various documents of Vatican II and Pope Paul VI, the Catechism of the Catholic Church (no. 776) explains:

As sacrament, the Church is Christ’s instrument. She is taken up by Him also as the instrument for the salvation of all, the universal sacrament of salvation, by which Christ is at once manifesting and actualizing the mystery of God’s love for men. The Church is the visible plan of God’s love for humanity, because God desires that the whole human race may become one People of God, form one Body of Christ, and be built up into one temple of the Holy Spirit. (see also nos. 846-848)

DISCUSSION: There are two principal errors when it comes to the Church’s teaching on extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Some reject this teaching as both incorrect and arrogant. Others interpret this statement to condemn all those who are not visibly united to the Roman Catholic Church. To come to the proper understanding of this teaching, we must examine it within the context of divine Revelation and Church history.

Comment: Church history; the statement of Councils and popes says de facto everyone needs to enter the Catholic Church with no exception.
Scripture; John 3:5, Mark 16:15-16 says de facto all people need Catholic Faith and the Baptism of water for salvation. Jesus died for all people, however only those who respond, those who enter the Church will be saved (Dominus Iesus 21)

This examination will reveal that the phrase was not formulated to express who would go to heaven and who would go to hell, for only God will judge that.

Comment: This is a dogma of the Catholic Church. The dogma says that everyone needs to enter the Catholic Church to go to Heaven and avoid Hell. Those among ‘all people’ who go to Heaven and Hell are known only by God, only God can judge. However the dogma says that to avoid Hell everyone needs to be oriented into the Catholic Church. The dogma was based on Scripture, Tradition and the Magisterium of different popes. It is also expressed in Vatican Council II.

Rather, the phrase expresses an understanding of the Church in relation to her role in the salvation of the world.
Translation or Interpretation?
Many people translate the Latin phrase extra ecclesiam nulla salus as "Outside the Church there is no salvation." This translation does not seem entirely faithful to the Latin meaning, and contributes to the misunderstanding of the phrase.
The Latin word "extra" is both an adverb and preposition. Depending on its use in a sentence, the word has different meanings. When used to describe spatial relations between objects, the word is translated as "beyond" or "outside of"(e.g., beyond the creek is a tree; or, James is outside of the room). When used to describe abstract relations between concepts or intangible things, the word is commonly translated "without" (e.g., Without a method, it is difficult to teach). Within the phrase in question, extra is a preposition describing the abstract relationship of the Church to salvation. Considering the Latin nuances of the word, a proper translation would be, "Without the Church there is no salvation." This translation more accurately reflects the doctrinal meaning of the phrase.

Comment: It was not just a doctrine. It was a dogma. To change the dogma is heresy.

Scriptural Foundations
In the Gospel of Mark, after the Resurrection, Jesus appeared to the Eleven and gave them the commission, "Go into all the world and preach the Gospel to the whole creation. He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned" (Mk. 16:15-16).

Comment: Whole creation signifies all people without exception.

In order to accept or reject the Gospel, each person must have it preached to him. If acceptance or rejection of the truth were based on private revelations given to each man, woman, and child, there would be no need for Christ to commission the Apostles to preach the Gospel. Jesus desired to reveal Himself through His body, the Church. While this passage condemns those who reject the truth, it does not condemn those who have not had the truth offered to them as Christ intends.

Comment: True it does not condemn those who have not had the truth offered to them. We agree in principle (de jure). However de facto we cannot judge who specifically are these people who have not had the truth offered to them.

The New Testament clearly teaches that salvation is a gift offered by God in various ways to all men. Adam, Abel, and Enoch lived between the first sin and the covenant of Noah. They were bound by original sin. All are considered to be in heaven. Enoch did not even die, but was taken to God before death (Heb. 11:4-5). These men were neither baptized nor circumcised, but nonetheless saved.

Comment: Yes those who lived before the birth of Jesus were in ‘Abraham’s bosom’ so to speak. After the Resurrection only the ‘just’ went to Heaven.

After the Resurrection for salvation there was the New Covenant in Jesus. God the Father wanted all people to be united in the Catholic Church and to worship Him in the Catholic Church (CCC).

After the Resurrection all people in general need to enter the Catholic Church, Jesus’ Mystical Body to go to Heaven and avoid Hell through Catholic Faith and the Baptism of water (CCC 1257) however there can be those who are saved without the Sacraments (CCC 1257) and are known to God only. The ordinary way of salvation according to Scripture and Sacred Tradition is Catholic Faith which includes the Baptism of water.

When the gentile centurion came to Jesus in Capernaum and asked for the healing of his servant, Our Lord agreed to go to his home, but the centurion said, "Lord, I am not worthy to have you come under my roof; but only say the word, and my servant will be healed" (Mt. 8:8). Jesus replied:

Truly, I say to you, not even in Israel have I found such faith. I tell you, many will come from East and West and sit at table with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven, while the sons of the kingdom will be thrown into the outer darkness; there men will weep and gnash their teeth (Mt. 8:10-13).

Jesus makes a clear distinction between those who are sons of the kingdom (that is, those who have knowledge of and accepted of the faith)

Comment: Yes, the ordinary way ( Redemptoris Missio 55)

and those who are not.

Comment: Those who refuse to enter the Catholic Church even though they know the should (Lumen Gentium 14) and so are oriented to Hell.

He includes in the kingdom of heaven many of those who are not.

Comment: There are those who are saved without the Baptism of water and are known only to Jesus. There are exceptions. (Lumen Gentium 16)

Jesus graces us with His incarnation, and His presence is known through His Body, the Church. The Church carries on the work of Christ here on earth. Those to whom the Church has not preached the Good News will be judged by God in a manner known to God and tempered with His mercy.

Comment: Yes for those who are in invincible ignorance. However in our present time there are millions of people who are educated. They know about the Catholic Church and its teachings. They are not in invincible ignorance.

As St. Paul explains:

When Gentiles who have not the law do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. They show that what the law requires is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness and their conflicting thoughts accuse or perhaps excuse them on the day when, according to my Gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus (Rom. 2:14-16).

Sacred Tradition

Many people who claim that God restricts salvation to baptized Catholics cite the Fathers of the Church to prove their assertions.

Comment: Yes this is the ordinary way of salvation and the general way for all people to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.

While space does not allow an exhaustive analysis of the Fathers, there are several necessary points to keep in mind. First, the Fathers must be understood in the context of their writings, not in the context of the one quoting them. The majority of the Fathers who wrote on this topic were concerned about those who had once believed or had heard the truth, but now rejected it. Many of them believed the entire world had heard the Gospel. Their words were not directed at those who, by no fault of their own, did not know the Gospel of Christ.

Comment: Correct there words were not directed at the exceptions (invincible ignorance) but people in general (the entire world who had heard the Gospel)

The Fathers do affirm the inherent danger in deliberately rejecting the Church. For example, St. Ignatius of Antioch wrote at the turn of the second century, "Be not deceived, my brethren; if anyone follows a maker of schism, he does not inherit the kingdom of God" (Letter to the Philadelphians 3:3). In the third century, St. Cyprian of Carthage wrote, "whoever is separated from the Church and is joined to an adulteress [a schismatic church] is separated from the promises of the Church, nor will he that forsakes the Church of Christ attain to the rewards of Christ. He is an alien, a worldling, and an enemy" (The Unity of the Catholic Church 6, 1). In the fourth century, St. Jerome wrote, "Heretics bring sentence upon themselves since they by their own choice withdraw from the Church, a withdrawal which, since they are aware of it, constitutes damnation" (Commentary on Titus 3:10-11).

Comment: The Church Fathers are saying that de facto everyone needs to enter the Catholic Church with no exception. The Church is the ordinary way to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.

On the other hand, many of the Fathers did write about those who were invincibly ignorant of the Gospel. Of these, the Fathers accepted that salvation was open to them, even if in a mysterious way. The Fathers recognized that the natural law of justice and virtue is written on the hearts of all men. Those who respect this law respect the Lawgiver, though they do not know Him. As St. Justin Martyr wrote in the second century:

Comment: They were saying that there were exceptions. This is repeated in the Catechism of the Catholic Church (1257), The Necessity of Baptism. It is also repeated in Vatican Council II (Lumen Gentium 14, Ad Gentes 7 refer to the ordinary way and Lumen Gentium 16, the exceptions)

We have been taught that Christ is the first-begotten of God, and we have declared Him to be the Logos of which all mankind partakes (Jn. 1:9). Those, therefore, who lived according to reason [logos] were really Christians, even though they were thought to be atheists, such as, among the Greeks, Socrates, Heraclitus, and others like them . . . those who lived before Christ but did not live according to reason were wicked men, and enemies of Christ, and murderers of those who did live according to reason, whereas those who lived then or who live now according to reason are Christians. Such as these can be confident and unafraid (First Apology 46).

In the third century, St. Clement of Alexandria wrote: "Before the coming of the Lord, philosophy was necessary for justification to the Greeks; now it is useful for piety . . . for it brought the Greeks to Christ as the Law did the Hebrews" (Miscellanies 1:5). Origen wrote, "[T]here was never a time when God did not want men to be just; He was always concerned about that. Indeed, He always provided beings endowed with reason with occasions for practicing virtue and doing what is right. In every generation the Wisdom of God descended into those souls which He found holy and made them to be prophets and friends of God" (Against Celsus 4:7). In the fifth century, St. Augustine wrote: "When we speak of within and without in relation to the Church, it is the position of the heart that we must consider, not that of the body . . . All who are within the heart are saved in the unity of the ark" (Baptism 5:28:39).

Magisterial Pronouncements

Throughout the history of the Church, the Magisterium has accepted and synthesized these teachings. Recognizing that God will judge our hearts according to the gifts we have received, invincible ignorance—that is, ignorance which cannot be overcome by ordinary means—tempers divine justice. Those who have knowledge of the truth are expected to accept it. Those who have not been given this gift will be judged according to the law written on their hearts. Two noteworthy examples of this position are found in Pope Boniface VIII’s bull Unam Sanctam (1302) and Pope Pius IX’s encyclical Quanto Conficiamur Moerore (1863).

Comment: Correct judge will judge our heart. Those in invincible ignorance will be judged accordingly.
Boniface VIII wrote concerning the nature of the Church and the supremacy of the Pope. He did not write concerning the damnation of those who have never heard the Gospel. After expressing the truth that there is only one Lord, one Faith, one Baptism and one Church, he explained that supreme authority of the Pope is both temporal and spiritual. He then ended by declaring: "We declare, say, define, and pronounce, that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

Comment: This is a de facto statement that everyone needs to enter the Catholic Church for salvation.

This is not a statement demanding that everyone know the supremacy of the Pope to be saved, but rather is a truthful claim that the Pope authority from God as the legitimate successor of St. Peter, to whom Our Lord entrusted the keys of the kingdom.

Comment: Correct, and so everyone de facto needs to enter the Church.

Pius IX clearly expressed the full teaching a century ago. His writing distinguishes between those who are invincibly ignorant and those who have willfully separated themselves from the Catholic Church:

There are, of course, those who are struggling with invincible ignorance about our most holy religion. Sincerely observing the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and ready to obey God, they live honest lives and are able to attain eternal life by the efficacious virtue of divine light and grace. Because God knows, searches, and clearly understands the minds, hearts, thoughts, and nature of all, His supreme kindness and clemency do not permit anyone at all who is not guilty of deliberate sin to suffer eternal punishments. Also well-known is the Catholic teaching that no one can be saved [without] the Catholic Church. Eternal salvation cannot be obtained by those who oppose the authority and statements of the same Church and are stubbornly separated from the unity of the Church and also from the successor of Peter, the Roman Pontiff, to whom the custody of the vineyard has been committed by the Savior (no. 7).

Sacrament of Salvation

In an expression of the authentic Magisterium, the college of bishops further explained this doctrine in the context of Christocentric sacramental theology at Vatican II. Echoing the words of St. Paul, the Council described the Church as the Spouse and Body of Christ (Lumen Gentium, nos. 6-7). Jesus is one with His Spouse, the Church (cf. Eph. 5:32). The two form the one Body of Christ visible on earth. Christ is the Head, and He ministers through His body as the sacrament of salvation (Lumen Gentium, no. 9). To whom does He minister? Both His body and those apart from the body, that he might draw all men to Himself (ibid., no. 13). In this way, the Church dispenses to all men the graces of salvation won by Christ.

Comment: Correct, salvation is available and offered to all men and women without exception. In principle (de jure) salvation is available for everyone.


Those who knowingly reject these graces are lost. Those who accept them are saved.

Comment: Correct.

Those who do not have the opportunity to accept the grace can be saved because of the presence of the Church in the world (cf. 1 Cor. 7:12-16). If they are saved, they are saved through the Church without their knowledge of that grace.

Comment: Correct, they are the exceptions.


This of course cannot refer to the ordinary way of salvation which is Catholic Faith and the Baptism of water for all people, everyone without exception. (Ad Gentes 7, Lumen Gentium 14).

Vatican II declares:

[Many] of the most significant elements and endowments which together go to build up and give life to the Church itself, can exist outside the visible boundaries of the Catholic Church: the written Word of God; the life of grace; faith, hope, and charity, with the other interior gifts of the Holy Spirit, as well as visible elements. All of these, which come from Christ and lead back to Him, belong by right to the one Church of Christ. . . .

Comment: There are non Christians and non-Catholics who can be saved implicitly through Jesus and the Catholic Church in the extraordinary way.

However the ordinary way of salvation is explicit Catholic Faith with the Baptism of water.

It follows that these separated Churches and communities as such, though we believe they suffer from the defects already mentioned, have been by no means deprived of significance and importance in the mystery of salvation. For the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using them as means of salvation which derive their efficacy from the very fullness of grace and truth entrusted to the Catholic Church (Decree on Ecumenism, no. 3).

Comment: The Catholic Church is the ordinary way of salvation however through the extraordinary means of salvation non Catholics can be saved.


Ad Gentes 7 says all people need to enter the Catholic Church this would include Protestant communities.


Just as a Catholic can go to Hell with one mortal sin there are also mortal sins of Faith which apply to members of the Orthodox Churches.

Those who are in invincible ignorance will be judged by God.

Come Aboard!

This teaching of Christ and His Church is not meant to allow indifferentism or exclusivism.

Comment: It is not meant to allow indifferentism.

It is not exclusivism since it accounts de jure for the exceptions (good conscience etc).


However de facto the teaching refers to exclusive salvation in only the Catholic Church through Catholic Faith and the Baptism of water.


If it was not exclusive de facto it would contradict the dogma.

Baptism and unity with the Catholic Church provide the only assurance of salvation,

Comment: Correct. De facto this is the ‘only assurance of salvation’

but not the only means. "God has bound salvation to the sacrament of Baptism, but He Himself is not bound by His sacraments" (Catechism, no. 1257, original emphasis).

Comment: Yes de facto there can be those saved without Catholic Faith and the baptism of water and we cannot judge who they are.

The will of God is for "all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2:4).

Comment: Which is that all men and women need to enter the Catholic Church de facto to go to Heaven?


Expressed negatively, it would mean all men and women need to enter the Catholic Church de facto to avoid Hell.

To fulfill His will, Jesus commissioned the Apostles to preach the Gospel and baptize those who would embrace it (Mk. 16:16). He gave us the Sacrament of Baptism and unity with the Church as the ordinary means of salvation. By Baptism we are made sharers in the life of Christ. When we participate in the fullness of life within the Church, we remain obedient children of God with the Church as our Mother. To provide assurance for the salvation of all men, we must fulfill the command of Christ to evangelize the world and bring all into His Body, the Church.

Comment: Correct.

Because God is not bound by the sacraments, He makes the grace of salvation available to all in ways unknown to us.

Comment: Because God is not bound by the Sacraments He can make the grace of salvation available to some who do not have Catholic Faith. The grace of salvation is offered to all through Catholic Faith and the Baptism of water.It does not mean that all will be saved.

This is the basis for the Church’s teaching on "Baptism of desire" (cf. Catechism, nos. 1258-60, 1281). This occurs, for example, when one seeks Baptism but dies first, or when one dies without explicit knowledge of Christ, but would have embraced the truth had it been presented. Only God can judge their souls.

Comment: The Baptism of water is the ordinary way of salvation and the Baptism of desire the extraordinary way of salvation. The Baptism of desire is not the ordinary way of salvation for all people.

The Church is the ark through which men are saved. Noah and his family were the only men saved on the ark, but even animals who had no understanding of the matter were saved with them. As the ark saved all on it, even those who had no knowledge, so does the Church, as the universal sacrament of salvation, dispense the graces won by Christ and applies them to all men of every place and condition.

Comment: Salvation is a free gift offered to all, Jesus died for all people. However only those will be saved who respond. (Even Protestants believe that they must respond with faith to the free gift of salvation).

In a way mysterious to us, this salvation is offered to all,

Comment: This salvation is offered to all who enter the Catholic Church and live the Gospel according to the teachings of the Catholic Church and who die without mortal sin on their soul. This salvation was offered also to those in Hell, who rejected it in different ways.

and God, who judges the hearts of all, will determine their destiny.

Comment: God judges the hearts of all men will determine their destiny. However we also determine our destiny by our choices.

Extra ecclesiam nulla salus means that de facto everyone needs to enter the Catholic Church with no exceptions to this dogma for going to Heaven and avoiding Hell. This is destiny chosen by God.






Recommended Reading:
Holy Bible (Catholic edition)
Catechism of the Catholic Church (Paperback and hardback available)
Documents of Vatican II
Precis of Official Catholic Teaching on the Church
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Catholic for a Reason; Scott Hahn and Leon Suprenant, eds.
Mission of the Messiah; Tim Gray.
To order these and other titles, call Emmaus Road Publishing toll-free: (800) 398-5470.
Available Faith Facts:
• Rock Solid: Salvation History of the Catholic Church
• It “Works” for Me: The Church’s Teaching on Justification
• Sola Scriptura?: Not According to the Bible
• On Earth As It Is In Heaven: The Necessity of Law and Right Order
• No Bull: Papal Authority and Our Response
• Following Our Bishops
• Limbo
• Going God’s Way: The Church’s Teaching on Moral Conscience
• What’s a Mother to Do?: Mary’s Role in Our Salvation

• Persevering to the End: The Biblical Reality of Mortal Sin

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FATHER LEONARD FEENEY WAS NOT EXCOMMUNICATED FOR HERESY- JAMES LIKOUDIS, CATHOLICS UNITED FOR THE FAITH


Fr.Leonard Feeney  was not excommunicated for heresy says Jim Likoudis, President Emeritus of Catholics United for the Faith,USA.

Fr.Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for disobedience.

He was not excommunicated for teaching Outside the Catholic Church there is No Salvation wrote Jim Likoudis in an e-mail to me some time back.

PROPAGANDA FIDE RELEASES FUNDS FOR DISSIDENTS AT BEDA COLLEGE ROME

1609-2009-Fourth Centenary anniversary of the death of St. John Leonardi, founder of Propaganda Fide


Funding has been approved by Propaganda Fide, Vatican for the new batch of seminarians beginning Sept -Oct 2009 at the Beda Pontifical Seminary,Rome, the seminary under the bishops of England and Wales.

The Beda College Rector Mons. Roderick Strange and the seminarian’s bishop recommend a seminarian to Propaganda Fide. Propaganda Fide then approves of the funds to pay for the student’s tuition board and lodging for the full year.


With the approval of my bishop Propaganda Fide had approved funds for me to live and study at Beda in Dec 2002- Jan 2003.

Propaganda Fide needs to fund Catholic seminaries…

1) …Who welcome all former seminarians to the Beda and permit them to visit the library.

1. Mons. Strange Charles Roderick, is the Rector of the Beda Pontifical College, an English Seminary, under the Bishops of England and Wales. He does not believe that the Church is necessary for salvation. There are two books written by the Rector Mons. Roderick Strange, The Catholic Faith and Living Catholicism. They are available in the Beda Library for the seminarians to read. He rejects the Catholic Church's teachings on Mission (see page 49, Chapter titled: Communion in The Catholic Faith and the last chapter: Evangelisation in Living Catholicism). He told me that dogmas/doctrines evolve .When I pointed out to him that they have not ‘evolved’ on Mission, as indicated in Ecclesia di Asia, Dominus Iesus etc he replied that it shows that they need to evolve. This is the witness to our Catholic belief from a Rector-formator. The Rector also encouraged Fr. John Fuellenbach’s book Throw Fire to be taught at the Beda. He had a poster on Catholic Mission and Salvation removed from the Beda Notice Board. It has been a few years now that I have been sending him material. He is unwilling to respond in writing to  two questions on Catholic Mission and salvation.
One of the books has a chapter in which he is ‘soft’ on homosexuality.

2)… Whose Rector answers specific questions in writing about the Catholic Faith and welcomes Deacons in residence to answer casual questions about the Catholic Faith.

On Mission Sunday October 2002 I placed an announcement on the Beda College Notice Board .The subject was Outside the Catholic Church No Salvation. I was told by the Deacon (Now Fr.John Kyne, Nottingham Diocese, England) that it was not the Catholic Church’s teaching. The Deacons were supported by the Rector and Vice Rector (Mons. Andrew Faley).Even after I left the Beda and was in Rome none of them would reply in writing.

3)… Whose Rector and Faculty members are not in mortal sin. If they have been they should remove the scandal.

It is about seven years for me that I have not been given permission by the Rector Mons. R. Strange to enter the Beda College. The last time I was there as a seminarian I wrote to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith about

a). an excommunicated Dominican priest Matthew Fox’s book available in the library Spirituality Section of the Beda College..

b) Fr.John Fuellenbach SVD’s book Throw Fire was part of the syllabus. During his lectures at the Beda he said he rejected the church’s teachings on outside the church no salvation. He continued to be employed at the Beda and the North American College (Catholic seminary) Rome.

c) An elderly Dominican priest who still teaches philosophy at the Angelicum, Rome said Catholics could become members of the Freemason social clubs since they were not part of the Freemason Society.

My Spiritual Director Fr.Jim Brand, an English priest  at the Beda and is interviewed for Vatican Radio, (where he says the Church needs to change), would tell me mortal sin is only hatred of God….

4) …As a seminarian when I asked questions I expected the Rector to affirm the Catholic Faith directly to me (or deny it in writing).Otherwise the scandal festers and in that condition the Rector offers Holy Mass.


How are they allowed to offer Mass in the Beda chapel I asked the former Secretary of the Congregation for the Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments. This is a liturgical issue.

Vatican Council II states that all people need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation (Ad Gentes 7). Beda Pontifical College, Rome teaches that de facto non Catholics can be saved in invincible ignorance and with the baptism of desire. So defacto non Catholics can be saved in general without the Baptism of water and Catholic Faith.


So, all people do not have to enter the Catholic Church according to the Beda Faculty.

Propaganda Fide in spite of being informed over seven years has given millions of euros to the Beda College.

CATECHISM AND VATICAN COUNCIL II ENDORSE MESSAGE IN CATHEDRAL OF BOLOGNA PAINTING

The Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II indicate that Mohammad was not saved and was oriented to Hell barring the exceptional. The religion he founded -the Catholic Church and the Bible indicates, is not a path to salvation. The Last Judgment by Giovanni da Modena, is a 15 th century fresco in the cathedral of San Petronio, Bologna it shows the Prophet Muhammad being cast into the flames of Hell.

Catholics do not accept Mohammad as a prophet, nor Islam as a path to salvation. Muslims in general, according to the teachings of Jesus Christ, need Catholic Faith and Baptism to go to Heaven. They need to be baptized in the only Church Jesus founded, to reap the benefits of His Great Sacrifice for all people, Muslims included.

This is the mercy of God the Father. He provided a way for all people, even before the time of Abraham, to go to Heaven, through the Supreme Sacrifice of His Son Jesus Christ.

PONTIFICIAL COUNCIL FOR INTER RELIGIOUS DIALOGUE, VATICAN

Islam is not a path to salvation and Muslims need Catholic Faith and Baptism to go to Heaven said Father Felix Muchado, Former Secretary, Council for Inter Religious Dialogue (PCID), Vatican. He was speaking with me at the PCID office near St. Peter’s Square on Tuesday (26.02.2008) morning. He was asked if non-Catholic religions (Hinduism, Buddhism, and Islam etc) are not paths to salvation (i.e. to go to Heaven and avoid Hell).He said YES.

Do non-Catholics need Catholic Faith and Baptism in general, except for the exceptions, to go to Heaven and avoid Hell, he was asked. He answered yes. This was not mentioned in a triumphal sense or with hatred. It was a matter of fact statement.

Archbishop Angelo Amato, Secretary, Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), Vatican in an interview in the Italian daily Avvenire has emphasised the importance of Catholic Mission. He quoted the text from the Council Ad Gentes 7, Lumen Gentium 14) which says:

˜All must be incorporated into Him by baptism, and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself explicit terms affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism (cf.Mk.16:16; Jn.3:5) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism (cf.Mk.16:16; Jn.3:5) and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church.
 He was interviewed at the Salesian University, Rome by Gianni Cardinale (Amato: non ce Chiesa senza missione, March 8, 2008, Saturday p. 21, Catholica, Avvenire).

Archbishop Angelo Amato, CDF, Sec., Vatican was saying that Judaism without the Jewish Savior is not a path to salvation and all Jews in general, need the baptism of water and Catholic Faith.

NEW GOOD FRIDAY PRAYER IS FOR CONVERSION -CARDINAL FRANCIS ARINZE

His Eminence Cardinal Francis Arinze said (05.03.2008) that on Good Friday all Catholics will pray that Jews, Muslims and others enter the Catholic Church, in general, to go to Heaven and to avoid Hell. Cardinal Arinze, the Prefect for Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, Vatican said that the new prayer for the Jews, formulated by the Holy Father Pope Benedict XVI is for the conversion, of the Jews, through Catholic Faith and the baptism of water.

This is our Catholic Faith, he said and that others (non-Catholics) are free to pray as they want.

He was speaking with me outside his office at the Vatican. He pointed out that when one has the Faith, one wants to share it.

Cardinal Arinze was referring to the prayers being said on Good Friday by Catholics, in the different rites; Latin, Greek, Syro-Malabar and not just the Tridentine Rite.

The same two questions were asked (26.02.2008) of the Secretary of Cardinal Francis Arinze, Mons. Anthony Kollamparampil (Tel: 06-69884005 Fax: 06-69883499). The answer was YES.

Mons. Anthony agreed that non-Catholics can be saved in their religion through the extraordinary means of salvation. However the ordinary means of salvation, to go to Heaven is the Catholic Church (Ad Gentes 7, Lumen Gentium 14). The religions itself are not means of salvation.

We do not know finally who will be saved, it is in the hands of God, said Fr.Felix Muchado. So which Muslim will specifically go to Heaven, only God knows, we do not.


MONS.RAFFAELLO MARTINELLI: ISLAM NOT PATH TO SALVATION
 Islam is not a path to salvation and their members need Baptism and Catholic Faith to avoid Hell said Mons. Raffaello Martinelli at his residence on the Via del Corso, on the solemn feast day of the Blessed Virgin Mary the Mother of God (Jan1, 2008).

Mons. Raffaello has since 1980 been working with the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF), Vatican. For the last 23 years he has assisted Cardinal Ratzinger, now Pope Benedict XVI. Mons. Raffaello was also a coordinator in the preparation of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.The Archpriest (Primicerio) of the exquisite Basilica dei Ambrogio e Carlo al Corso in Rome he said that the Catholic Church teaches that Islam is not a path to salvation but Muslims can be saved, who are in invincible ignorance and those who die in good faith.

“Are they saved through their religion?” he was asked to clarify. He answered no. Their religion does not save them.

“Do they need to enter the Catholic Church to go to Heaven and avoid Hell?”

He answered yes.

All Muslims, he said, are called (by God) to enter the Catholic Church.

He was asked if they are simply just called (optional) to enter the Catholic Church, through the baptism of water, or, are they called to enter the Catholic Church to avoid Hell. He answered that they are called to enter the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.

The Catholic Church is the Body of Christ he said. The Church is the general, normal way to be saved.

He made the distinction between the ordinary and extraordinary means of salvation.

The Church, the Body of Christ is the ordinary means of salvation. So the Baptism of water is needed for all people in general. However through the extraordinary means of salvation Muslims can be saved within Islam. They too are saved by Jesus Christ.

“Who are these exceptions, saved implicitly through the extraordinary means of salvation?” he said, we do not know. We cannot judge. Only Jesus knows. We cannot say that a particular person is in invincible ignorance, has good faith etc. We humans cannot judge.

AMERICAN BISHOPS

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops Doctrine Committee in issued a media statement (USCCB Doctrine Committee faults book by Father Peter Phan Dec.10, 2007) on the book by Father Peter C. Phan Being Religious Intereligiously: Asian Perspectives on Interfaith Dialogue. The USCCB indicates that Islam and other religions are not paths to salvation. The great religions have good things but are not paths to avoid Hell, for their followers. Their followers need Catholic Faith. The statement was signed by Bishop William E. Lori of Bridgeport, Conn., chairman of the Committee on Doctrine, and the six other committee member-bishops.

(See full text www.usccb.org/dpp/StatementonBeingReligiousInterreligiously.pdf. )

LETTER HOLY OFFICE (1949): BAPTISM OF WATER NEEDED FOR ALL IN GENERALThe Letter of the Holy Office to Cardinal Richard Cushing (1949) relative to Fr. Leonard Feeney said that baptism was needed for all people in general for salvation. There were exceptions. There were exceptions to the rule that Catholic Faith and the baptism of water are needed for all people. The exceptions include martyrdom, a perfect desire, invincible ignorance etc. We cannot say which Muslim is specifically going to be saved through the baptism of desire and other exceptions- only Jesus knows who will be saved.

NON CATHOLICS GOING TO HELL DEFINITELY-VATICAN COUNCIL II

Yet Lumen Gentium N.14 is clear that those non-Catholics who know they should be in the Catholic Church and who have had the Gospel preached to them, and yet do not do so, will go to Hell.

The Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church and Vatican Council II refer to these non-Catholics going to Hell, definitely.

We do not know who is in partial communion or full communion, we do not know who is in invincible ignorance or has perfect contrition or has a good conscience-only Jesus does.

When we meet a Hindu, Buddhist or Muslim we assume that he or she is not saved, not because we know personally but because the Church inspired by the Holy Spirit tells us so.

So would Mohammad come under the category of exceptions? No. Since he knew. He knew about the Catholic Faith.bThis is seen in the Koran. He chose not to enter the Catholic Church and formed a new religion. Interestingly, Muslims still pray that he may have peace.

Jesus however is saying that those Muslims who believe will be saved, those who do not will be condemned (Mk.16: 15-16, Jn.3:5)

The condemnation is to Hell. It was Dante who described the Inferno he saw.

Mohammad was among the many people whom the Italian poet Dante Alighieri saw in Hell.

DANTES EXPERIENCE OF HELL SIMILAR TO CATHOLIC SAINTS

Dante saw Hell with caves and special tortures for different people. There was fire and water, demons and the presence of Satan. He saw suffering which would never ever end in time. The Catholic saints Teresa of Avila and Maria Faustina Kowalski also describe Hell similarly. Dante’s experience of Hell can also be compared with Sr. Josepha Menendez. It is similar to Hell shown by Our Lady to Sr. Lucia at Fatima.

The Catholic saints were permitted by God to see Hell while they were alive and were allowed to tell the world about it.

Dante’s vision was contemplation, said Mons.Marco Frisina, during a series of talks on the Divine Comedy of Dante, given at the Basilica dei Ambrogio e Carlo al Corso, Rome.

After one of the talks, I spoke to him about the visions of the Catholic saints and how they were similar to that of Dante.

I asked him, “Was it just contemplation or did Dante really go to Hell?”

He replied, “Non lo so” (I don’t know)

Unlike Dante the Catholic saints do not name names. St. Maria Faustina Kowalski recognized in Hell, people whom she knew. So did Sr.Josepha Menendez.

Most of them in Hell said St. Faustina were really surprised to be there. Surprised! They expected to be in Heaven, once past the Particular Judgment. Were there were those who thought it was enough to be a Jew or Muslim?

St. Faustina Kowalski and Dante saw demons in Hell and Satan being present to torment the people sent there. St. Teresa of Avila noted the dirty water with reptiles, so did Dante. They both observed there were special places and caves for the demons to torture people forever. Josepha Menendez saw people tortured in a special way in the parts of the body, which they used to sin. So did the Polish saint Maria Kowalska. This was what Dante saw and described.

Sr. Lucia saw people amidst fire. Dante described many realms with fire. The Bible and the sacred books of other religions also list fire in Hell. However Dante is more explicit and covers a large range of the specific suffering in Hell. Sr. Lucia seemed to be shown, by Our Lady, just one area.

Today (2009) there are people alive who have seen Hell and can tell us about it. Their descriptions correspond with that of Dante and the Catholic saints. The Archives of the website Spirit Daily has testimonies of people who have been to Hell and returned to tell us about it. They have also changed their lifestyle after the experience.


Those alive today include visionaries at apparitions of the Blessed Virgin Mary. The children at Medugorje, Bosnia-Herzegovina who are adults now. They were shown Hell. They all agree that the pains of Hell are eternal. The belief in Hell is popular in Italy as is Dante Alighieri, who made a singular contribution, in the change of the Italian language to its present form, from Latin versions.

The Catholic Church tells us that a category of non Christians will go to Hell. That non Christians can go to Hell is clearly said in Vatican Council II and the Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Jesus cautions us about Hell in the New Testament. The road to Hell is wide and many take it He said. This warning was His love for us. The Old Testament and the Psalms have many references to Hell. Isaiah (33) asks who can withstand a devouring fire for eternity. The Quran refers often to Hell.

The message of Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church is that those non Catholics who have had the Gospel preached to them and who know that the Catholic Church is the one, true Church of God, founded by His Son Jesus Christ, and who yet do not enter through baptism and Catholic Faith will go to Hell (they cannot be saved).

Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by God through Jesus Christ would refuse to enter her or to remain in her could not be saved. - Decree on the Missionary activity of the Church, Ad Gentes # 7, Vatican Council II
 Mohammad knew about Jesus Christ and the Church Jesus founded. This is clear in the Quran. Yet he refused to enter it. He had the Gospel preached to him. His soul, Catholic teaching indicates is oriented towards Hell.

Many Muslims who have had the Gospel preached to them, who know that God the Father founded his only Church through his Son Jesus Christ. They know that they need to join this saving-Church because this is what God wants of them. Yet they do not do so. They are oriented towards the Inferno at the time of their death.

The Bible and the Catechism say that just one mortal sin at the time of death, is enough for a soul to go to eternal death. Muslims, do not have the help of the Catholic Sacraments.

And whosoever shall keep the whole law but offend in one point is become guilty of all. For he that said: Thou shalt not commit adultery, said also: Thou shalt not kill. Now if thou do not commit adultery, but shalt kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. (James 2:10-11). (Douay-Rheims Bible)
So there are not only Mortal sins of Faith, which is relevant to Mohammad, but there are also Mortal Sins of morals. The Church specifies which are the mortal sins e.g. committing or encouraging murder-abortion, euthanasia, fornication, homosexuality, fornication.

There are many Muslims who believe that they are doing good and have a good conscience. With mortal sins of faith and morals they are oriented to Hell, while living as Muslims. This is not what God wants of them.

The Catholic Church teaches us that the religion Muhammad founded has good things but it is not a path to heaven. It also has errors and deficiencies (Dominus Iesus). It carries the fourth century Arian heresy which denies Jesus is God. It denies the Trinity and the Crucifixion of Jesus.

THE CATHOLIC CHURCH DOES NOT CONDEMN ANY PROPHET OR RELIGION

The Catholic Church, however, does not officially name any particular person in Hell. It does not even say that Judas is in Hell (or Heaven) even though Scripture indicates that Judas’ soul is cursefreesite in Hell.

One can appreciate many good and holy things in the religion Muhammad founded.

This report here hence is not a condemnation of Muhammad and Islam. Neither does the Catholic Church condemn either.

The sin of heresy however is a Mortal Sin.

‘…those who do not believe will be condemned’ says Jesus (Mk.16:15-16).
They have chosen their condemnation. They have chosen eternal death. Muhammad, like Gandhi knew about the Catholic Faith. They chose otherwise.

Muhammad, like Gandhi, was born with Original Sin. Muhammad carried the image of Adam (1 Cor.15:45-49).Through Baptism ‘we bear the image of the heavenly one’- Jesus. Muhammad died with the stain of Original Sin. He could not say that Jesus is Lord. He who cannot say that Jesus is Lord is the Antichrist the Bible says.

Muhammad’s concept of Heaven is not that of Christians. St. Faustina Marie Kowalski describes her vision of Heaven which is Trinitarian. (N.777Diary). She described Paradise where Catholics are in happiness, amidst great beauty and give praise and glory to the One Triune God. It is a place of pure love for God without the presence of evil. (Whatever ones religion or lack of it, if one is saved it is through Jesus and the Catholic Church, one is a Catholic in Heaven).

VATICAN COUNCIL SAYS ISLAM NOT PATH TO SALVATION

Vatican Council II actually says that Judaism, Islam and the other religions are not paths to salvation. (Ad Gentes 7) Their followers need Catholic Faith and Baptism in general, to avoid Hell (Lumen Gentium 14).

The Council asks us to have “a high regard” for the precepts and doctrines of these religions “which often reflect a ray of that truth which enlightens all men” (Nostra Aetate, N.2), but does not anywhere say that these elements are sufficient for salvation.’-Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus, Christ to the World (1981)
OBLIGATORY CATHOLIC TEACHING LINKED TO THE EUCHARIST

Missionaries of Charity Sisters, during their Perpetual Vows, promise publicly to be faithful to the teaching Authority of the Catholic Church; the Magisterium, believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sins (Nicene Creed).They believe that the Church is holy and guided by the Holy Spirit, the Third Person of the Holy Trinity (Nicene Creed).They believe that the One God wants to be worshipped as the Holy Trinity, within the Sacraments of the Catholic Church, the only Church founded by Jesus Christ, the Son of God (CCC845).This teaching is obligatory for all Catholics.

Not to believe in the one God as in Catholic Revelation is idol worship. It is contrary to the First Commandment. Idol worship is to make ones ego a god. It is to make ones badly-formed conscience god (CCC 2104, 2105, 2113, and 2114).It is choosing to worship as one wants to, personally, and not as God wants to be worshipped. We can choose to make television, or the editorial in a particular newspaper are idol, our god. Muslims can choose to stay within their religion, and circle the stone Kaaba, in a religious pilgrimage, in Saudi Arabia.

REFUSAL OF THE EUCHARIST FOR FIRST CLASS HERESY

Muslims who know the truth about the Catholic Church and yet choose to remain in the religion Mohammad founded are in heresy. Heresy is a grave sin (CCC#2088).Persistent grave sin; with full knowledge is a Mortal Sin.

A Catholic in persistent Mortal sin, known to many people, can be refused the Eucharist. It means the loss of Sanctifying Grace. Heresy on this issue, means giving up the right to receive the Eucharist. For a Catholic religious it is giving up the right to celebrate Holy Mass or to canonically hold an office as a Catholic.

Muslims cannot receive the Holy Eucharist.

When the first class heresy is known to many it is also a scandal, another grave sin. If one dies in the state of Mortal Sin, the sinner is moving in the direction of Hell-fires. In Hell one will see relatives, friends and colleagues and hate them and despair. One would be willing to offer 10,000 years just for 30 minutes on earth, to ask for Sacramental Confession to a Catholic priest who represented Jesus and whom God’s Mercy has given the power, to forgive sins. This is a privilege that Muslims do not have.

Heresy (#2087, 2088, and 2089) is a sin against faith and the First Commandment. The, church guided by charity asks persons in Mortal Sin; persons in heresy, not to commit a sacrilege and receive the Eucharist or celebrate Holy Mass without going for Confession and making public amends through a clarification, apology and/ or restitution .

It is heresy not to believe in the dogma Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation. This dogma was approved by two Church Councils and included in Vatican Council II.

NOT TO WITNESS TO CREED AND COMMANDMENTS IS FIRST CLASS HERESY

Not to witness to the Creed and Commandments is a first class heresy. The person is not in communion with Jesus’ Mystical Body, the Catholic Church. He is not in communion with God. He could lose his right to be an heir of Heaven a child of God if he would die immediately.

Canonically he is not a Catholic...

A priest may say that he believes that alcohol-abuse is a grave sin as mentioned in the Catechism of the Catholic Church. If that priest has an alcohol-abuse problem however and it is well known, the Bishop can ask him to stop celebrating Holy Mass. Alcohol abuse when continued with full knowledge is a Mortal Sin. It is not enough to say that one believes in the teachings of the Catholic Church. One has to live it. Otherwise he has no right to receive the Eucharist.


One can say that he believes that homosexuality is extrinsically evil but if he is a practising homosexual...One can say that he believes in the Creed and Commandments but if he cannot proclaim aloud and in writing that non Catholic religions are not paths to salvation and that Catholic Faith and baptism are needed for all in general, then in practise he does not believe in the Nicene and Apostles Creed and the First Commandment. He has no right to receive the Eucharist. Neither is a dissenter on Church teaching on salvation and non-Catholics.

PRIEST IN MORTAL SIN NEEDS CONFESSION BEFORE OFFERING HOLY MASS

A priest in Mortal Sin must receive the Sacrament of Reconciliation before celebrating Mass. Absolution in the Sacrament of Confession is the only way to have a Mortal Sin forgiven (CCC) .A simple act of contrition is not enough. We can never be sure that our contrition is perfect.

St. Alphonsus Ligouri writes that one commits a grave sin by receiving the Eucharist from a priest (or Eucharistic Minister) who is in manifest Mortal Sin, (Teologia Moralis Bk.3, N.47). Unless of course there was no other priest to give you the Sacraments. The Eucharist is always the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ, His Great Miracle to be with us always. It is so even when a priest is in Mortal Sin. So it is important for a Catholic to know this teaching of the Church.


Islam is a religion we respect. We appreciate all the good and holy things in it. God loves Muslims.

The Holy Spirit is also present among Muslims. Muslims of goodwill who live righteously can go to Heaven through the implicit graces that come from Jesus and the Catholic Church. This is a possibility though not the general rule.

Lionel Andrades Catholic layman in Rome

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