Westminster House,Watford Way,London NW4 4TY Tel: 020 8457 6532 westminsterinterfaith@rcdow.org.uk ) is an anti Catholic office and must be exposed legally. They do not represent Catholics with their falsehood, discrimination and slander.
Good Catholics have an obligation to expose this office publicly and so inform people in England,about what we Catholics really believe.
See the lies on Vatican Council II on the Inter Religious Office website (Click on Diocese and then interfaith).Vatican Council II does not state the claims they suggest on the website.
Instead Vatican Council II says all non Catholics in England are oriented to Hell unless they enter the Catholic Church before their death.They include Protestants.
… all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door…’-Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II (Emphasis added).
He meets educated members of the non Catholic religions.
The non Catholics he meets know about the Catholic Church and yet do not enter. They are on the way to Hell according to Vatican Council II. Vatican Council II indicates that millions of non Catholics in modern cities in England who know about the Church and yet do not enter are oriented to Hell. They include Jews and Muslims. Jon Dal Din does not tell non Catholics that they are oriented to Hell according to Vatican Council II.Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."…- Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II
No where in Nostra Aetate ,Vatican Council II is it said that Judaism and Islam are paths to salvation or that Jews and Muslims do not have to in general convert to avoid Hell.So this is a misrepresentation of the Catholic Church and needs to be checked legally.
A person who holds to the teachings of Vatican Council II and the ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus would not be employed by the Archdiocese of Westminster Office. A simple telephone call can confirm this discrimination. This is a policy of discrimination based on religion. It violates even the local leftist laws.
Here is the ex cathedra dogma outside the church there is no salvation(extra ecclesiam nulla salus) which Pope Pius XII called our 'infallible' teaching (Letter of the Holy Office 1949)
1. “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.).The dogma does not say those in invincibile ignorance, with a good conscience or the baptism of desire do not de facto have to enter the Catholic Church to avoid Hell.
2. “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 302.).
3.“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) – from the website Catholicism.org and “No Salvation outside the Church”: Link List, the Three Dogmatic Statements Regarding EENS) http://nosalvationoutsideofthecatholiicchurch.blogspot.com/ /.Also see Pascendi’s Catholic Forum(Thread: EENS debate on Patrick Madrids Blog) ---FORUM-- Pascendi- http://pascendi2.websitetoolbox.com/
We do not know specifically and personally who is in invincible ignorance etc. De facto we cannot judge. Only Jesus knows. The Catholic Church teaches infallibly that everyone with no exception needs to enter the Catholic Church for salvation.So Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance etc) would refer to those non-catholics who in 'certain circumstances'(Letter of the Holy Office 1949) and known only to God and unknown to us can be saved with implIcit faith. De facto we do not know who they are. De jure we accept the possibility in 'certain circumstances' and known only to God. So Lumen Gentium 16 cannot contradict the extra cathedra dogma.This is the message of Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7) and the Catechism of the the Catholic Church (836,835,1257 etc).
So this issue needs to be taken up legally in London since as Catholics we are concerned .We are also offended at the public and repeated sacrilege of the Eucharist.
It is slander and calumny against us Catholics faithful to Vatican Council II . This negativity is also directed at the late Fr.Leoanrd Feeney and the Catholic communities he founded .They include the Sisters of St.Benedict Center who have been granted canonical status in the Catholic diocese of Worcester,USA.
VATICAN COUNCIL SAYS OUTSIDE THE CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION
Vatican Council II actually says that Judaism, Islam and the other religions are not paths to salvation. (Ad Gentes 7) Their followers need Catholic Faith and Baptism in general, to avoid Hell (Lumen Gentium 14).
The Council asks us to have “a high regard” for the precepts and doctrines of these religions “which often reflect a ray of that truth which enlightens all men” (Nostra Aetate, N.2), but does not anywhere say that these elements are sufficient for salvation.’-Extra Ecclesiam nulla salus, Christ to the World (1981)
It may be mentioned that Fr. Leonard Feeney taught that defacto everyone needs to enter the Catholic Church through Catholic Faith and the Baptism of water to go to Heaven and avoid Hell –and there were no exceptions.
This was the ex cathedra dogma of Pope Innocent III, Lateran Council IV (AD 1215), Unam Sanctam, Papal Bull of Pope Boniface VIII, 1302, Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441. According to Ludwig Ott, this teaching has been solemnly defined by the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) and affirmed by the Union Council of Florence, by Popes Innocent III, Boniface VIII, Clement VI, Benedict XIV, Pius IX, Leo XIII, Pius XII and many other popes.
Vatican Council II says outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation. Extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
The Catholic Church teaches after Vatican Council II (1965) that all people need to enter the Catholic Church to go to Heaven (Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II).
Catholic Faith with the Baptism of water is the normal, ordinary way of salvation for all people (Lumen Gentium 14, Vatican Council II).The Catholic Church is the ordinary way of salvation for all people (Lumen Gentium 14).Non Catholics however can be saved through the extraordinary means of salvation (Lumen Gentium 16).Only God knows who are the non-Catholics saved through the extraordinary means of salvation; the exceptions. We do not know who the exceptions are. We cannot judge. Jesus, the Church, Scripture and Vatican Council II indicate that the priority is Catholic Faith and the Baptism of water for all people.
So everyone needs to enter the Catholic Church which is the like the only Ark of Noah that saves in the Flood (CCC).Non Catholic religions have good things in them. However they are not paths to salvation. All salvation comes through Jesus and His Mystical Body the Church. Those non-Catholics who know the above information and yet do not enter the Church are oriented to Hell (Ad Gentes 7, Lumen Gentium 14).Those non-Catholics participating in inter religious dialogue, are educated. They know. They are oriented to Hell.
Outside the Church there is no salvation. Catholic Faith and the Baptism of water are needed for all people. This is Vatican Council II.
No where in Nostra Aetate, Vatican Council II is it said that non Catholic religions are paths to salvation.
Vatican Council II is in harmony with John 3:5, the Church Fathers, Council of Florence, Evangelii Nuntiandi, Redemptoris Missio, Catechism of the Catholic Church, Dominus Iesus, Congregation of the Doctrine of the Faith, Notification on Fr. Jacques Dupuis etc.
Don’t let people fool you about Vatican Council II. Check the details and affirm the Faith which does not change.
Jesus called the Catholic Church “…my church…” He told St. Peter that it would prevail against Satan and be there for all time.
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The following is from the Archdiocese of Westminister website
About Westminster Interfaith
posted on 09 June 2009
Westminster Interfaith is an agency of the Diocese of Westminster within the department of Ecumenism, Interfaith and Justice and Peace.
It aims to respond to the teaching of the Second Vatican Council and the Popes with regard to interreligious dialogue. In particular it seeks to promote greater understanding, co-operation and respect between Christians and people of other faiths and thus combat discrimination at all levels. It also helps Catholics deepen their own faith by promoting greater awareness of other faiths through dialogue, prayer and action.
Each year Westminster Interfaith aims to put on and assist in a range of events which provide opportunities for people of faith to listen to and learn with one another. These events may be local, as in visits to places of worship, or more general. The best known is the annual multi-faith Pilgrimage, now in its twenty first year, set out in a chosen part of London and which takes place on the first Saturday of June.
In response to requests from individuals, or from deaneries, parishes, educational establishments and seminaries, a team of five co-ordinators provide information and ideas. They help organise seminars, retreats, pilgrimages, liturgies and lectures in a variety of subjects.
A newsletter, published five times a year contains articles, reports of interfaith events, book reviews and news of future events.
What is Westminster Interfaith?
It is the agency of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Westminster engaged in the field of dialogue with people of other faiths. On our history page About WIF you can find out about the succession of directors who have worked in promoting awareness and understanding at the levels of both daily life and academic enquiry over the past three decades, and The Team page brings this record up to date.
For many people Westminster Interfaith is known principally for organising the annual Multifaith Pilgrimage for Peace. We have reports of the two most recent of these, at Pilgrimage 2008 and Pilgrimage 2009.
On the Events page you will also find information we have received about forthcoming events. We'd like to have news about what your group is planning for Inter Faith Week, too.
Our AimsInterfaith Links
To respond to the teaching of the Second Vatican Council and the Popes with regard to interfaith dialogue.
To promote greater understanding, co-operation and respect between Christians and people of other faiths and thus combat discrimination at all levels.
To help Christians deepen their own faith by promoting greater awareness of other faiths through dialogue, prayer and action.-from the Arcdiocese of Westminister website
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For Inter Religious Understanding, Inter Cultural Appreciation, Reconciliation between Peoples In a diverse world.
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The Centre has also a Christian Jewish Library and Resources Area available for students, teachers, catechists, priests and seminarians who wish to consult the specialist collection of books and archives.
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Question 50: Why should I become a Christian? What good would it do me and how can Christianity guarantee me an afterlife? The Muslims don’t think highly of Christians, much like the Christians feel about the Jews: how can I find the right religion? One religion makes the other sound like a fairy tale, how can you prove the truth? What is the proof? A Creator does indeed exist, but which of the religions is right? (TR)
Answer: First, the text of the book and the answer to the previous questions should have shown that the Christian faith claims to be the true faith on the one hand, but it does not follow that it is therefore justified to take the stance that other faiths, such as the Jewish or Muslim faiths are completely false or worthless. The Questioner ought to carefully read chapter 11 and chapter 4, as well as the answer to question 42 with this statement in mind....
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