Wednesday, April 28, 2010

PER INTERPRETARE LA FEDE IMPLICITA (BATTESIMO DI DESIDERIO ecc) COME RIFERIRSI ALLA SALVEZZA DE FACTO SAREBBE HERESIA - Don Massimiliano dei Gaspari F.I, Superiore e Italiano preti di Roma

Don Massimiliano dei Gaspari, Superiore e un sacerdote italiano a Roma, communità Frati Francescani degli Immaculata domenica scorso accosentito per interpretare la fede implicita (battesimo di desiderio, ignoranza invincibile ecc) come riferirsi alla salvezza de facto sarebbe un'eresia.

Il dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus dice che tutto senza eccezione deve essere un membro visibile della Chiesa Cattolica per salvezza ( evitare l’inferno). I tre papi e Concili che hanno dato questo insegnamento infallibile erano informati dell'ignoranza invincibile e del battesimo di desiderio (fede implicita). Non è stato accennato per la prima volta in Concilio Vaticano II. Don Massimiliano dei Gaspari accosentito. I papi hanno interpretato la fede implicita non come de facto salvezza. Don Massimilliano dei Gasparri accosentito. Non possiamo giudicare de facto chi ha un battesimo genuino di desiderio. Ha accosentito.

Così se interpretiamo la fede implicita nel Concilio Vaticano II (LG 16) come riferendoci alla de facto salvezza sarebbe un'eresia. Contraddirebbe l'ex cathedra dogma fuori della chiesa cattolica non c’e salvezza. Inoltre contraddirebbe il Concilio Vaticano II (Ad Gentes 7) ed il Catechismo della Chiesa Cattolica (836) che dichiarano ' all’bisogne entrare nella Chiesa Cattolica per salvezza.

Qui è l'ex cathedra insegnamento che il Papa Pio XII riferito come il ' dogma' e il ' infallible' insegnamento (Lettera dell Santo Ufficio per all'arcivescovo di Boston relativo Don Leonard).
1. “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215).

2. “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 302.).

3.“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) – from the website Catholicism.org and “No Salvation outside the Church”: Link List, the Three Dogmatic Statements Regarding EENS)
Quando si chiede un religioso cattolico se tutto deve entrare nella chiesa cattolica per salvezza la risposta è solitamente `Sì, tranne quelli nell'ignoranza invincibile o chi hanno il battesimo di desidera. Se la religiosa stia riferendosi alla salvezza de facto è un'eresia.

Il Conferenza dei Vescovi cattolici degli Stati Uniti (USCCB),Comitato di Dottrina in una decisione sul Don Peter Phan ha detto correttamente che la chiesa era necessaria per salvezza. L’USCCB allora si riferisce alla fede implicita come eccezione senza qualificarsi se stessero riferendo alla salvezza de facto o de jure.

I Franciscani dell'immacolato hanno pubblicato in italiano una traduzione di libro di Don Most in quale suggerisce che millioni non cattolici fossero salva con fede implicita e de facto.( p.215,225, Fondamenti della Fede Cattolica, Padre Guglielmo Most,Traduzione Italiana di Attilio Tempra SSP (Casa Mariana,Maria SS.Del Buon Consiglio,83040 Frigenteo (AV),1991).

I cardinali Tarcisio Bertone, Angelo Bagnasco e Walter Kaspar hanno detto ufficialmente che gli ebrei non devono convertire nei tempi presenti. Ciò è contraddizione di ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus,il Concilio Vaticano II,il Catechismo della Chiesa Cattolica e la Bibia. Sono nel peccato mortale pubblico. Scomunicato automaticamente.

Era Don Hans Kung che ha interpretato la fede implicita come rottura da tradizione e come negazione del dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

TO INTERPRET IMPLICIT FAITH (BAPTISM OF DESIRE ETC) AS REFERRING TO DE FACTO SALVATION WOULD BE HERESY- Don Massimiliano dei Gaspari F.I, Superior and Italian priest in Rome

Don Massimiliano dei Gaspari F.I, a Superior and Italian priest in Rome, of the community Franciscans of the Immaculate last Sunday agreed that to interpret implicit faith ( baptism of desire, invincible ignorance etc) as referring to de facto salvation would be a heresy.

The ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus says everyone with no exception needs to be a visible member of the Catholic Church to be saved (from Hell).

The three popes and Councils which gave Catholics this infallible teaching were aware of invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire (implicit faith).It was not mentioned for the first time in Vatican Council II.Fr. Massimiliano dei Gaspari agreed.

The popes interpreted implicit faith not as de facto salvation. Fr. Massimilliano dei Gaspari agreed.We cannot judge de facto who has a genuine baptism of desire. He agreed.

So if we interpret implicit faith in Vatican Council II (LG 16) as referring to de facto salvation it would be a heresy. It would contradict the ex cathedra teaching outside the Church there is no salvation. It would also contradict Vatican Council II (Ad Gentes 7) and the Catechism of the Catholic Church (836) which state 'all' need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation.
Here is the ex cathedra teaching which Pope Pius XII referred to as the 'dogma' and the 'infallible'teaching (Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr.Leonard Feeney)

1. “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215.).


2. “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 302.).

3.“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) – from the website Catholicism.org and “No Salvation outside the Church”: Link List, the Three Dogmatic Statements Regarding EENS)
When one asks a Catholic religious if everyone needs to enter the Catholic Church for salvation the answer is usually ‘Yes, except for those in invincible ignorance or who have the baptism of desire’.If the religious is referring to de facto salvation it is a heresy.

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops (USCCB) Doctrine Committee in a decision on Fr. Peter Phan said correctly that the Church was necessary for salvation. The USCCB then referring to implicit faith as an exception without qualifying if they were referring to de facto or de jure salvation.

The Franciscans of the Immaculate have published in Italian a translation of a book by Fr. William Most in which he suggests that millions of non Catholics are saved through implicit faith-defacto.(p.215,Ho Altre Pecore, Fondamenti della Fede Cattolica, Padre Guglielmo Most,Traduzione Italiana di Attilio Tempra SSP,Casa Mariana,Maria SS.Del Buon Consiglio,83040 Frigenteo (AV),1991).

Cardinals Tarcisio Bertone, Angelo Bagnasco and Walter Kaspar have said officially that Jews do not have to convert in the present times. This is contradiction of the ex cathedra dogma, Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church. They are in public mortal sin. They are automatically excommunicated.
It was Fr.Hans Kung who interpreted implicit faith as a break from tradition and as a negation of the ex cathedra dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.