Saturday, June 12, 2010

WIKIPEDIA CONTINUES LIES ABOUT CATHOLIC TEACHINGS AND CATHOLICS -2

WIKIPEDIA CONTINUES LIES ABOUT CATHOLIC TEACHING AND CATHOLICS-2

Wikipedia makes no distinction between ex cathedra teachings and that of the ordinary magisterium on the subject extra ecclesiam nulla salus. There are three ex cathedra definitions of the dogma and they cannot be superseded by the ordinary Magisterium. Yet the entire extra ecclesiam nulla salus entry on Wikipedia does just that.



So if the infallible teaching is that everyone with no exception needs to be a visible member of the Catholic Church then how can any other teaching contradict it.

Secondly it would also mean that the interpretation of the ordinary Magisterium according to Wikipedia is wrong.

Here is the ex cathedra dogma:

1. “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215). Ex cathedra.

2.“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.).Ex cathedra.

3.“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) Ex cathedra
– from the website Catholicism.org and “No Salvation outside the Church”: Link List, the Three Dogmatic Statements Regarding EENS http://nosalvationoutsideofthecatholicchurch.blogspot.com/

The dogma says that everyone must be a visible member of the Catholic Church to go to Heaven and avoid Hell. So when Wikipedia quotes from the statements of popes, Vatican Council II and the Catechism it needs to know that the ex cathedra teaching supersedes them all.

Secondly we can also interpret those very statements of the popes, Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholic Church as being in accord with the ex cathedra dogma.

So Wikipedia’s entry on extra ecclesiam nulla salus is factually and objectively incorrect since
 1) the dogma says clearly that everyone needs to be a visible member of the Catholic Church to be saved.

2) The Magisterium teaches that everyone with no exception needs to explicitly enter the Catholic Church through Catholic Faith and the Baptism of water to go to Heaven and avoid Hell (Ex cathedra extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II, Catechism of the Catholic Church n.836, Dominus Iesus 20 etc).LG 16 refers to those saved implicitly and not explicitly. Those with the baptism of desire, genuine invincible ignorance and a good conscience are known to God only. They are always implicit and subjective cases.There are no de facto cases of baptism of desire that we know of. The Wikipedia entry suggests it is explicit.

Only those who know and do not enter will go to Hell?They will definitely go to Hell according to Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II. However all non Catholics are oriented to Hell unless they explicitly convert into the Catholic Church.If there are any among them any who are in invincible ignorance etc it will known only to God.

The Holy Spirit is also present in non-Catholic religions.Yes, in only the good and holy things. There are also ‘errors, deficiencies and superstition’(Dominus Iesus) in these religions where the Holy Spirit cannot be present.Whatever good is found in these religions are a preparation for the Gospel, the members of these religions are oriented towards the Catholic Church and are all called to be members(Notification,Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith relative to Fr. Jacques Dupuis S.J , 2001)

Fr.Leonard Feeney was excommunicted for heresy?There is no Church Document which says Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston was excommunicated for heresy. He was excommunicated for indiscipline. He did not go to Rome to defend himself.Assuming he was excommunicated for heresy the ordinary Magisterium of a pope or a cardinal's statement does not supersede an infallible teaching, in this case thrice defined.

We need Catholics to approach Wikipedia and ask for a correction.

1. The ex cathedra statements on extra ecclesiam nulla salus must be shown clearly. It must be stated clearly that the ex cathedra dogma says that everyone must be a visible member of the Catholic Church to be saved from Hell.

2. It must present the ordinary Magisterium including Vatican Council II and the Catechism as being in harmony with the ex cathedra teaching.

Presently the information in the Wikipedia entry on extra ecclesiam nulla salus is factually inaccurate.

WIKIPEDIA CONTINUES LIES ON CATHOLIC TEACHING AND CATHOLICS

WIKIPEDIA CONTINUES LIES ON CATHOLIC TEACHING AND CATHOLICS

The disinformation continues on the Internet against Catholic teaching. Access extra ecclesiam nulla salus on the Internet and Wikipedia gives you this:

The Roman Catholic Church also teaches that the doctrine does not mean that everyone who is not visibly within the Church is necessarily damned.
Does everyone have to become a visible member of the Catholic Church for salvation?

The dogma says everyone needs to be a visible member of the Catholic Church for salvation. Pope Pius XII called it the 'infallible' teaching.
Now, among those things which the Church has always preached and will never cease to preach is contained also that infallible statement by which we are taught that there is no salvation outside the Church.

However, this dogma must be understood in that sense in which the Church herself understands it. For, it was not to private judgments that Our Savior gave for explanation those things that are contained in the deposit of faith, but to the teaching authority of the Church.- (Letter of the Holy Office 1949). Emphasis added.

Here is the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus:

1. “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215). Ex cathedra.

2. “We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.).Ex cathedra.

3.“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) Ex cathedra – from the website Catholicism.org and “No Salvation outside the Church”: Link List, the Three Dogmatic Statements Regarding EENS http://nosalvationoutsideofthecatholicchurch.blogspot.com/
The dogma says that everyone must be a visible member of the Catholic Church to go to Heaven and avoid Hell.

Lionel's E-News for the week June 12-18,2010 :MONS.ARTHUR B.CALKINS CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH VATICAN (ECCLESIA DEI) DENIES DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

Lionel's E-News for the week June 12-18, 2010


FRIDAY, JUNE 11, 2010
MONS.ARTHUR B.CALKINS CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH VATICAN (ECCLESIA DEI) DENIES DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/06/monsarthur-bcalkins-congregation-for.html

TUESDAY, JUNE 8, 2010
MOTHER TERESA SISTERS NO MORE VOW FAITHFULLNESS TO THE TEACHINGS OF THE MAGISTERIUM: NEW POLICY SAYS IT’S OPTIONAL
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2010/06/mother-teresa-sisters-no-more-vow.html

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