DOMINICAN PRIEST WHO SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II SAYS EVERYONE WHO KNOWS ABOUT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND DOES NOT ENTER COULD BE LOST CANNOT COMMENT ON ROWAN WILLIAMS

The Archbishop of Canterbury, Primate of all England and Anglican bishop Rowan Williams knows about the Church and yet does not enter.

Also most or all Jews and Muslims in Rome know about Jesus and the Catholic Church. So they are on the way to Hell according to Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.

Fr. Joseph Tran O.P on August 12, 2010 at the Basilica of St. Mary Majors, Rome was not willing to comment or claim that they were on the way to Hell.

Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."-Ad Gentes 7

Whosoever, therefore, knowing that the Catholic Church was made necessary by Christ, would refuse to enter or to remain in it, could not be saved.-Lumen Gentium 16

He does agree that Vatican Council II and the Catechism of the Catholics says that they have to convert into the Catholic Church for eternal life in Heaven.

He was speaking with me face to face, and not in the Confessional, as is one the regular Dominican Confessors appointed at the Basilica.

What’s so special about Rowan Williams? Why is he an exception?

He would not answer.

He said that if non Catholics follow their conscience and live good lives (Rowan Williams included?) they can go to Heaven.

Is personal conscience superior to the teachings of the Magisterium I asked?

There was no clear answer and he reverted to saying that the Magisterium takes precedence over individual conscience.

I do not like to go to a priest for Confession who denies an ex cathedra dogma (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) and here he was giving me the secular understanding on conscience and was not clear on Ad Gentes 7.

The infallible teaching says de facto everyone needs to be a visible member of the Catholic Church to avoid Hell. (1).So according to the ex cathedra dogma Rowan Williams is on the way to Hell.

Ad Gentes 7 says ‘all people’ need Catholic Faith and the Baptism of water to go to Heaven. Rowan Williams does not have Catholic Faith. According to Vatican Council II he is on the way to Hell.

Lumen Gentium 16 (LG) (2) says those in invincible ignorance etc can be saved. He is not in this category.

Pope Pius XII in the Letter of the Holy Office to the Archbishop of Boston relative to Fr. Leonard Feeney says ‘in certain circumstances’ a person can be saved with the Baptism of Desire itself. So explicit Baptism of desire is known only to God. We do not know a single case of explicit, seeable, external Baptism of desire. There is no de facto Baptism of desire for us. So we cannot specify a person in this category, not even Rowan Williams.

So LG 16 refers only in principle (de jure), hypothetically, people being in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire.

So we cannot say that any specific person has explicit Baptism of Desire etc. While the infallible teaching and Vatican Council II says he is on the way to Hell.

Except for the extraordinary, the unusual, like the Anglican Archbishop of Canterbury, converting on his death-bed into the Catholic Church, he will be in Hell past the Particular Judgment. In the light of the ex cathedra dogma his having or not having the Baptism of desire is irrelevant.

So for the Dominican priest, where is the Church Document which says that Rowan Williams is not on the path to Hell?

Why Rowan Williams?

No special reason. I needed to give Fr. Joseph Tran a specific case. The name Rowan Williams came to mind and he knew whom I was talking about.
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1. “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215). Ex cathedra.

2.“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.).Ex cathedra.

3.“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) Ex cathedra – from the website Catholicism.org and “No Salvation outside the Church”: Link List, the Three Dogmatic Statements Regarding EENS http://nosalvationoutsideofthecatholicchurch.blogspot.com/

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Those also can attain to salvation who through no fault of their own do not know the Gospel of Christ or His Church, yet sincerely seek God and moved by grace strive by their deeds to do His will as it is known to them through the dictates of conscience.-Lumen Gentium 16, Vatican Council II.