WHAT WE CATHOLICS BELIEVE ADVERTISEMENT IN THE SECULAR MEDIA

I would like to place the WHAT WE CATHOLICS BELIEVE advertisement in the secular media it would help clear up much of the disinformation on the subject of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Here is Corrrespondence with the Advertising Department of the Times England.

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Hello Mr Andrades

I have been passed the below enquiry you made through our web site – but not the attachment.

Can you please resend the copy of the proposed advertisement directly to me and I will come back to you when I see it.

Best wishes meanwhile

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Hello Mr.........

It will not be possible to speak with you I live a quasi eremitical life here.

I will also have to ask someone to sponsor the ad. and he will send you the payment.

The space of the adv.would be one column about 5cms.Perhaps you can judge how much space would be required for this matter using the normal type.

Then there is the picture.Hopefully it could be in colour.

Since the adv, will have the picture it will noticed even if placed on an inside page.

This is a non commercial adv. so the cheapest price would be welcome.

Once I know the price and that the techinical part of placing the adv. is taken care of I can ask for help with the finances.

The Holy Father will be in England from Sept.16 to 19,2010. He will be present at Glasgow and Birmingham and I assume London.So the ad.could appear in any of your editions coinciding, not necessarily, with the dates he will be in these places.

In Christ

Lionel

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Lionel

I know, from experience, that it is best use of everyone’s time to discuss this on the phone.

Perhaps best therefore to have whoever will be paying for this to call me.

All the best

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I do not know who will be paying for it yet. I have to ask them. It would be easy for me to do so if I know the exact cost and that the content has been approved and that there are no other costs or problems.

Lionel

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Hello Lionel

The smallest advertisement that you can buy in the Times would cost you £1,500 in black and white and £2,460 in full colour.

This would be 10 cms high and 7.2 cms across: So it would not be big enough to fit the text that you propose and, to get an ad that would fit it all in, would cost considerably more.

On top of the media cost, there will also be a production cost.

Might I suggest, with respect, that the money that you are considering spending on this advertisement might be better donated to one of the many deserving charities out there?

A number of charities are currently spending a huge amount of their money across all national newspapers to raise funds for the Pakistan flood appeal - and I am sure any one of them would welcome a donation.

With very best wishes to you.

Tim Robbins

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Fine Tim,

Can you go ahead and give me the exact cost for the advertisement with a black and white picture.This would include the cumulative cost (media and production).

In Christ

Lionel

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Hello again Lionel

I would estimate that, to fit in all you want and for it to be able to be read, then you would need an ad 25 cms high and 11.1 cms across: That size ad would cost you £7,500 for black and white and £12,300 in colour.

We need artwork in fully finished digital form and do not make it for you. I think (but am not sure so don’t quote me) that production cost would be around the £500 mark.

Hope that helps.

All the best

Tim

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Thank you Tim for that estimate.

If we do not use the picture and change the type of the font to a smaller font we could still have the ad in 10 cms in black and white.Since there would be no photograph no artwork would be needed. It would be a standard non-display ad.?

Here is a revised copy of the ad.with no picture and the matter reduced.Could you keep the complete price between £2000-2500.

Thank you.

Lionel

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                                  WHAT WE CATHOLICS BELIEVE

The Catholic Church teaches in Vatican Council II and an ex cathedra dogma that everyone with no exception needs to be a formal, visible member of the Catholic Church, the one true, Church of Jesus Christ to go to Heaven and avoid Hell –and there are no exceptions.

Here is the ex cathedra dogma extra eccleisam nulla salus (outside the church there is no salvation):

1. “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215). Ex cathedra.

2.“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.).Ex cathedra.

3.“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) Ex cathedra – from the website Catholicism.org and “No Salvation outside the Church”: Link List, the Three Dogmatic Statements Regarding EENS http://nosalvationoutsideofthecatholicchurch.blogspot.com/

Vatican Council II has the same message.

Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door…-Ad Gentes 7.Vatican Council II.

The Church teaches that Rowan Williams, the Archbishop of Canterbury and all non Catholic Christians are on the path to Hell unless before they die they formally enter the Mystical Body of Jesus( AG 7,UR 3).If there are exceptional cases ‘in certain circumstances’(Letter of the Holy Office 1949) it will be known only to God. De facto everyone needs to formally enter the Catholic Church. De jure there could be exceptions known only to God.

This is the centuries-old Catholic teaching, pre-Vatican Council II and post-Vatican Council II (Dominus Iesus 20, CDF, Notification, Dupuis, CCC 845 etc)

For more information contact Mr. Lionel Andrades. E-mail: lionelandrades10@gmail.com

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Tim Robbins

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+ 44207 782 7854

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p.s I have not heard from Tim Robbins yet.
p.s Anyone is welcome to place the advertisement in the Times no special permission is needed. The message for the advertisement is that of the universal Catholic Church.
You are free to replace my name with yours. You can also provide your e-mail,telephone and contact number to answer queries about the Catholic Faith, instead of mine. Please directly contact Tim Robbins.