Friday, January 28, 2011

MARY ANN KREITZER EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS IS LINKED TO ABORTION AND PAEDOPHILE PRIESTS

Mary Ann Kreitzer has commented on this blog on the post ‘Cardinal Bernard law calls for an ecumenism of return’.

I appreciate her work as an American pro-life activist and her expose of how the Church Collection Fund was being given by the USCCB (US Conference of Bishops) to Saul Alinsky’s leftist projects.


I wish Mary Ann Kreizer could affirm the ex cathedra dogma which is directly linked to these two issues , abortion and funding for persons who do not affirm Catholic teachings.


Could she begin by saying publicly that the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus (outside the church there is no salvation) means everyone with no exception needs to be a formal member of the Catholic Church for salvation ?

 1. If someone objects and says Fr. Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for saying this, point out:

a. How can a Letter of the Holy Office (CDF), Vatican supersede an ex cathedra dogma?

b. .There is no Church document which states he was excommunicated for heresy. The Letter of the Holy Office/Denzinger refers only to disobedience.


2. If someone objects that Lumen Gentium 14, indicates a person can be saved in invincible ignorance, who is not formally a member of the Church then respond: Lumen Gentium 14 only mentions the possibility of someone being saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience. We accept this in principle as a concept. De jure.

De facto we cannot know any case. None of us knows of any case of a person being saved in invincible ignorance or a good conscience.

So de facto LG 16 does not contradict the dogma that everyone needs to be a formal member of the Church for salvation and there are no exceptions.


There is so much disinformation on this subject (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) on Wikipedia. I wish Mary Ann Kreitzer could clarify for them the actual church teaching.

The Roman Catholic Church also teaches that the doctrine does not mean that everyone who is not visibly within the Church is necessarily damned -Wikipedia
Catholic interpretation
The Church's understanding of the significance of the phrase: "Outside the Church there is no salvation" is expressed in its Catechism of the Catholic Church, 846-848, 851 as follows- Wikipedia
The disinformation is also being spread by Catholic Culture’s Jeffrey Mirus which should make one wonder why Catholics are encouraged to fund Catholic Culture.
Jeffrey Mirus’ Trinity Communications has placed on the internet an article TRAGIC ERRORS OF LEONARD FEENEY by Fr. William Most. (Check Google :  Access Fr. Leonard Feeney)

1. It suggests that we know and can know cases of people saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire and this was expressed in Vatican Council II. There is no such text.

2. It indicates that since we know of people saved in invincible ignorance etc it is a negation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

3. Mirus assumes he is correct since he is supported by the Jewish Left, especially their media, and recently Pope Benedict XVI in the book Light to the World-conversations with Peter Seewald. Yet this is heresy according to the magisterial documents of Pope John Paul II (Dominus Iesus 20, Catechism of the Catholic Church 845,846 etc).

I wish Mary Ann Kreizer could write to Jeffery Mirus, EWTN,USCCB and ask them if they  really  know partiuclar  cases of people saved in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire or a good conscience ?

The Letter of the Holy Office (1949) to the Archbishop of Boston Cardinal Richard Cushing relative to Fr.Leonard Feeney mentions ‘the dogma’, the ‘infallible’ teaching.


Here is that ex cathedra dogma,

1. “There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved.” (Pope Innocent III, Fourth Lateran Council, 1215). Ex cathedra.


2.“We declare, say, define, and pronounce that it is absolutely necessary for the salvation of every human creature to be subject to the Roman Pontiff.” (Pope Boniface VIII, the Bull Unam Sanctam, 1302.).Ex cathedra.

3.“The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels, unless before death they are joined with Her; and that so important is the unity of this ecclesiastical body that only those remaining within this unity can profit by the sacraments of the Church unto salvation, and they alone can receive an eternal recompense for their fasts, their almsgivings, their other works of Christian piety and the duties of a Christian soldier. No one, let his almsgiving be as great as it may, no one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” (Pope Eugene IV, the Bull Cantate Domino, 1441.) Ex cathedra – from the website Catholicism.org
The three Councils assumed that if there was anyone in invincible ignorance etc it would be known only to God.


Yet in Mary Ann Kreitzers archdiocese, Cardinal Donald Wuerl was on the USCCB Doctrine Committee which issued a Notification on Fr. Peter Phan. It said everyone needs to enter the Church except for those in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire etc.


The USCCB’s ‘Except for …’ is a straw man, a decoy, it’s the denial of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.


If Catholics can be excused for not believing in an ex cathedra dogma then why should they be expected to affirm Church teachings on abortion, homosexuality, paedophile…?


If Jeffrey Mirus will not affirm the ex cathedra dogma in public, with  its ‘rigorist interpretation’ of outside the church there is no salvation, is he not in mortal sin?


Fr.Tissa Balasuriya OMI was excommunicated for denying the
dogma of the Immaculate Conception of Our Lady are not Mirus and the pope automatically excommunicated?

Is not Mirus in public mortal sin?

Is not the Holy Father in mortal sin when he tells Seewald that Jews do not have to convert in the present times?


If we can make exceptions for Mirus and the pope, can we not do so also for pedophile priests, for abortion....?


Should Catholics end donations to Jeffrey Mirus or to Peter’s pence?


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Mary Ann Kreitzer has a bachelor's degree in English from Trinity College in Washington, D.C., and a master's degree in Public Administration from George Washington University. As a certified instructor of Natural Family Planning, she taught NFP for 15 years at Providence Hospital in Washington, D.C. She is the president of both Les Femmes and The Catholic Media Coalition organizations dedicated to promoting and defending authentic Catholic faith and culture.

Mrs. Kreitzer is active in Church and community affairs and promotes full-time motherhood as an essential and irreplaceable vocation. She especially values time spent with her five children, their spouses, and her 18 grandchildren. She writes from the Shenandoah Valley of Virginia on pro-life, pro-family, and Church issues.

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