Saturday, July 16, 2011

BRAZILIAN PRIEST SAYS VATICAN COUNCIL II DOES NOT CONTRADICT DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

Even a thousand years back they knew that all implicit forms of salvation were known only to God and so did not contradict the rigorist interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

I am losing count of the number of priests affirming the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Most of them offer the Novus Ordo Mass.

Fr. Nevus Marcello O.P was hearing Confession yesterday evening (July 15) at the Basilica of St. Mary Majors, Rome. I went up and spoke to him face to face and not through the confessional.

I said,” I have a question”. He said I could ask it.

I asked,” Those saved with the baptism of desire are known only to God?”

“Yes”, he replied.

“We don’t know any case of the baptism of desire?” I asked. “No” replied this Brazilian Dominican priest.

The Council of Trent mentions the baptism of desire I said. “Even a thousand years back they knew that the baptism of desire was known only to God?” I asked.

Fr. Marcello replied,” Yes”.

“Neither do we know any case in particular of a person saved in invincible ignorance” I asked. “No we don’t” he said also indicating that there was the possibility and it was known only to God. I agreed with him.

“So Lumen Gentium 16, when it refers to non Catholics being saved in invincible ignorance, does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus which says everyone needs to be a formal, explicit member of the Church and there are no exceptions?” I asked Fr. Marcello.

“Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus” agreed Fr. Nevus Marcello whose name was written on the Confessional. Also the different languages in which he could hear Confession was made known.

“Ad Gentes 7 says all need baptism for salvation. Here Vatican Council II affirms Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441 on extra ecclesiam nulla salus?” I asked.

He answered,” Yes”.

It was so easy yesterday! (July 15, 2011). A priest at St. Mary Majors responding to reason, step by step and concluding that Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma, instead it affirms it. A gift from Jesus and Our Lady for me on my birthday!

I also had the opportunity to meet Fr. Gabrielle F.F.I. He said that he was at the basilica until August and then he goes probably, to Austria.
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