Order of St. Camillus priest says non Catholics do not have to convert into the Catholic Church they only have to follow their conscience

Lumen Gentium 15 would contradict Lumen Gentium 14 only of we consider explicit salvation as explicilty known or the ordinary way of salvation. LG 14 indicates Catholic Faith and the baptism of water is the ordinary way to avoid Hell.


Fr. Efesio, of the Order of St.Camillus  who celebrated Holy Mass in Italian yesterday Sunday evening at 7 p.m at the Church of St. Mary Magadalene in Rome, had given the homily on the Gospel Reading. He spoke about the importance of the Church. This is a controversial subject. Ecclesiology is  the source of disunity with new theories being taught at Pontifical Universities in Rome.

When I spoke with him in the sacristy after Mass he agreed that Lumen Gentium 14 Vatican Council II did not contradict Lumen Gentium 15 and 16. We did not know any case of implicit salvation, baptism of desire, invincible ignorance, good conscience etc.So everyone needed to enter the Church with faith and baptism(LG 14).

 Vatican Council II does not contradict the dogma extra eccleisam nulla salus he said nor the teaching on this subject by St. Camillus

de Lellis, the founder of their community whose body is venerated in that Church.

I explained that the dogma indicated everyone needed to be an explicit member of the Church and this was the teaching for centuries held by popes and saints including St .Camillius.

Fr. Efesio then changed his position and said that the saints and popes in the past only accentuated one aspect of the teaching though the teaching had not changed. This was confusion.

He said now we believe that salvation depends on each person’s conscience and a person does not necessarily have to convert.

This Italian priest had in his homily spoken vaguely on the importance of the Church and that the Church would exist for all time but he  never said every one needed to enter the Church formally and visibly to avoid Hell.

Now he was negating Ad Gentes 7 and Lumen Gentes 14 on the necessity  of Faith and the baptim of water for salvation for all.

The Bible says go out and proclaim the Good News, ‘he who believes will be saved who does not will be condemned.’ The Bible says those who do not believe will be condemned . This priest is saying that non Catholics can know the Good News but their salvation depends on their individual conscience and he implies that in general they will go to Heaven. While earlier he said that we did not know any case of implicit salvation and did not know who had a good conscience.

He also assumes that people in general will be saved with a good conscience while the dogma Cantate Domimo Council of Florence indicates millions of non Catholic and non Christians are on the path to the fires of Hell.

A few months back I was reading a biography of St.Camilus ( Lo Spirito di S. Camillo de Lellis by Mario Vani ) The saint would tell Christians that they need to convert into the Catholic Church to avoid the fires of Hell and we should be very conscious of the smallest sin. He encouraged modesty in clothes and believed immodesty was a grave sin.

Fr.Efesio gave the Eucharist at Mass yesterday to a young lady in a tank top dress.

This priest seems to be rebelling against Church teaching on faith and morals. The Order of St.Camillus offer Mass in this condition and believe it is not a sinn ?

If immodesty and denying the faith (dogma) is not a mortal sin then why go for Confession ? Any other sin can be rewritten or changed!

The Church has always taught that grave sin leads to Hell. Hell is ‘where the worm dieth not and the fire is never extingusihed’. i.e we have a spiritual body like the one we have on earth which never decays and we live at furnace temperature.

Masturbation, fornication, adultery, immodesty,scandal, heresy,apostasy have always been mortal sins. So is the sacrilege of the Eucharist.

To knowingly deny an ex cathedra dogma is a mortal sin.

-Lionel Andrades

This Sacred Council wishes to turn its attention firstly to the Catholic faithful. Basing itself upon Sacred Scripture and Tradition, it teaches that the Church, now sojourning on earth as an exile, is necessary for salvation. Christ, present to us in His Body, which is the Church, is the one Mediator and the unique way of salvation. In explicit terms He Himself affirmed the necessity of faith and baptism and thereby affirmed also the necessity of the Church, for through baptism as through a door men enter the Church.-Lumen Gentium 14 (Emphasis added)

The Church recognizes that in many ways she is linked with those who, being baptized, are honored with the name of Christian, though they do not profess the faith in its entirety or do not preserve unity of communion with the successor of Peter.  For there are many who honor Sacred Scripture, taking it as a norm of belief and a pattern of life, and who show a sincere zeal. They lovingly believe in God the Father Almighty and in Christ, the Son of God and Saviour. They are consecrated by baptism, in which they are united with Christ. They also recognize and accept other sacraments within their own Churches or ecclesiastical communities. Many of them rejoice in the episcopate, celebrate the Holy Eucharist and cultivate devotion toward the Virgin Mother of God. They also share with us in prayer and other spiritual benefits. Likewise we can say that in some real way they are joined with us in the Holy Spirit, for to them too He gives His gifts and graces whereby He is operative among them with His sanctifying power.-Lumen Gentium 15

Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.-Lumen Gentium 16