Friday, December 23, 2011

DID THE LETTER OF THE HOLY OFFICE 1949 CONTRADICT THE DOGMA EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS? NO

The Letter of the Holy Office only mentions the baptism of desire as did the Council of Trent. It does not say that the baptism of desire is explicitly known to us. It did not say that it was an exception to the dogma. Neither does the Council of Trent make this claim.

The Letter of the Holy Office supported Fr. Leonard Feeney by referring to ‘the dogma’, the ‘infallible teaching’. The dogma Cantate Domino, Council of Florence indicates all non Catholics in Boston and the rest of the world are oriented to Hell unless they convert into the Catholic Church.

There are three defined dogmas on extra ecclesiam nulla salus. All three agree with Fr. Leonard Feeney. The three dogmas http://catholicism.org/category/outside-the-church-there-is-no-salvation  on extra ecclesiam nulla salus state as does Fr. Leonard Feeney that every one needs to be a visible member of the Church for salvation i.e. every one needs Catholic Faith and the baptism of water.

They do not mention any exceptions as the baptism of desire etc since it is known that they are always implicit and not exceptions to the dogma. This was also Fr. Leonard Feeney's teaching.

The Letter of the Holy Office does not specifically say that he was excommunicated for heresy it mentions disobedience. One has to assume that he was excommunicated for heresy.

St. Pius XII uses the standard defacto-dejure analysis in the Letter of the Holy Office 1949. The secular media interprets the Letter with the defacto-defacto model. It seems irrational. It does not make sense.

For example:

De facto-dejure model

The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 refers to the dogma and so says that everyone de facto needs to enter the Church for salvation and there are no defacto exceptions.It also says de jure, in principle and known only to God, a non Catholic can be saved with the baptism of desire ‘in certain circumstances’ (Letter of the Holy Office 1949).

Defacto-defacto model

The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 according to the secular media says every one de facto needs to enter the Church for salvation and there are de facto exceptions.

For the media and the liberals there are those who can be saved defacto with the baptism of desire which is defacto known to us.If the defacto-dejure analysis is not used some Magisterial texts would appear odd.

The defacto-dejure analysis is not a new theology. It’s a philosophical way of looking at things. The defacto- dejure analysis is used in theology. It’s a rational way of analysis. It clarifies for instance what is known, with what can be potentially known. It clarifies what is known in actuality (defacto) with what is known as a possibility (dejure).

Whether we are aware of it or not, we could be using either the defacto-dejure analysis or the irrational defacto-defacto model.

The defacto-dejure analysis was used in Vatican Council II, the Catechism of the Catholic Church etc. It does not contradict the Principle of Non Contradiction.

If the baptism of desire was not dejure, accepted only in principle, and if instead it was de facto and known to us, in personal cases, then the Letter of the Holy Office would contradict itself. t would mean Pope Pius XII says every one de facto needs to enter the Church (as mentioned in 'the dogma' ) but some people can also be defacto saved with the baptism of desire etc 'in certain circumstances'(Letter of the Holy Office).

De facto every non Catholic needs to enter the Church for salvation and there are no exceptions. ( LG 14, AG 7, Cantate Domino, Dominus Iesus 20, CCC 845, 846 etc).

The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 mentions those who can be saved ‘in certain circumstances’ with the baptism of desire. It does not say that this contradicts ‘the dogma’ or ‘the infallible teaching’ to which the Letter also refers. It does not say that popes and Church Fathers as referring to those saved in general with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance.

Since invincible ignorance is implicit, we accept it only in principle (de jure). It is not an exception to the dogma. It is a possibility known to God but not an exception to the dogma.

It is not contrary to the Principle of Non Contradiction when it is assumed that everyone de facto needs the baptism of water for salvation and some people in the present times in principle, de jure , can be saved without the baptism of water.

It is not a contradiction to say that everyone needs the baptism of water for salvation, this is an actuality, and to also say that some non Catholics’ in certain circumstances’ (Letter of the Holy Office 1949) can be saved without the baptism of water and it would be known only to God, this is a possibility.

Since one is an actuality and the other a possibility it does not contradict the Principle of Non Contradiction.

The Holy Office Letter of 1949 acknowledges there was a ‘controversy’. The controversy included the Archbishop and Jesuits of Boston.

Since the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 mentions ‘the dogma’ the Letter is a criticism of the Archbishop of Boston and the Jesuits at Boston College. So in this sense the Letter of the Holy Office was critical of the Archbishop of Boston. Since there were no known cases of the baptism of desire etc you cannot accommodate the Cushing Error and assume that the baptism of desire is a part of the dogma. An objective reading of the text of the dogma shows that there is no mention of any exceptions.

There are some parts of the Letter critical of Fr.Leonard Feeney who was excommunicated for disobedience. He did not go to Rome when called.There were issues which were not clarified.

"From what has been said it is evident that those things which are proposed in the periodical From the Housetops, fascicle 3, as the genuine teaching of the Catholic Church are far from being such and are very harmful both to those within the Church and those without."
The article it refers to was written by Raymond Karam and not Fr.Leonard Feeney. Karam defended the dogma without using the defacto-dejure clarification. Neither did the Holy Office and the Archbishop mention this reasoning which avoids contradicting the Principle of Non Contradiction. So it is possible that all the persons in the controversy were talking across to each other. There was confusion.
"From these declarations which pertain to doctrine it is beyond understanding how a member of a religious Institute, namely Father Feeney, presents himself as a “Defender of the Faith,” and at the same time does not hesitate to attack the catechetical instruction proposed by lawful authorities..."
Here they could have assumed at that time that a cardinal could not teach error and heresy .So they believed the cardinal against the priest, who was also expelled from his religious community.

We now know that ‘the lawful authorities’ in Boston, were saying that there was a defacto known baptism of desire etc, and this contradicted the interpretation of the dogma by Fr. Leonard Feeney and St. Benedict Center. The Richard Cushing Error of the explicilty known baptism of desire etc is irrational and not a doctrine of the Catholic Church.

Later the Holy Office would approve the lifting of the excommunication without Fr. Leonard Feeney having to recant or make any changes in his writings.

The Letter mentions the dogma and this is a criticism of the Archbishop. Since the dogma does not mention any exceptions as did the Archbishop.

The Letter mentions those who can be saved with a genuine desire. The Letter does not claim that these cases are defacto known to us and so contradict the dogma. This is a criticism of the Archbishop.

So the Letter of the Holy Office supports Fr.Leonard Feeney on doctrine and is in accord with the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
-Lionel Andrades

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SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 26, 2009
CDF(Holy Office) supports Fr. Leonard Feeney of Boston in Letter

FRIDAY, DECEMBER 25, 2009
POPE PIUS XII STATED ALL JEWS IN BOSTON NEED TO ENTER THE CATHOLIC CHURCH FOR SALVATION

POPE PIUS XII SAID EVERY JEW, ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN AND MUSLIM NEEDS TO CONVERT TO AVOID HELL

SUNDAY, JUNE 20, 2010
CUSHING DOCTRINE SAYS LETTER OF HOLY OFFICE (1949) VIOLATES PRINCIPLE OF NON CONTRADICTION

WEDNESDAY, MAY 18, 2011
THE HOLY FATHER POPE BENEDICT XVI IS A CUSHINGITE

MONDAY, AUGUST 1, 2011
Quanto Conficiamus of Pope Pius IX does not say that we know the baptism of desire explicitly

THURSDAY, JULY 28, 2011
VENERABLE POPE PIUS XII SAID ALL NON CATHOLICS NEED TO ENTER THE CHURCH WITH NO EXCEPTION TO AVOID HELL

Questions to ask the hospital Chaplain, University Chaplain or professor,Parish Priest or Rector of a Church

Ask your local chancellor or bishop.

1.The baptism of desire and invincible ignorance are exceptions to the dogma outside the church there is no salvation ? ( If this question is answered yes then it is the Richard Cushing Error)

2. So it means that the baptism of desire etc are known to us explicitly for it to be an exception ? ( They could answer no. We personally don’t know any case.)

3.We accept implicit baptism of desire (Council of Trent) and being saved in invincible ignorance (Lumen Gentium 16) however they are not exceptions to the dogma?( Yes. We accept them in principle but do not presume that they are exceptions to the dogma.)

4. There is also no magisterial text which does imply that they are exceptions? (No. None).

5. They  are not defacto exceptions to the dogma, they do not contradict the dogma outside the church there is no salvation which says defacto, explicitly every one needs to enter the Catholic Church for salvation ? (Yes. They are implicit and the dogma refers to explicit baptism of water given to adults who know the Catholic Faith so there is no contradiction.)

6.Fr.Leonard Feeney, the popes and saints were correct in saying everyone needs to be a visible member of the Church for salvation ? Yes.

7. Every adult on earth de facto needs the baptism of water and Catholic Faith for salvation and there are no known exceptions ? (Yes.)

-Lionel Andrades


HOSPITAL CHAPLAINS IN ROME SAY WE DO NOT KNOW ANY CASE OF A PERSON SAVED WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.com/2011/12/hospital-chaplains-in-rome-say-we-do.html

HOSPITAL CHAPLAINS IN ROME SAY WE DO NOT KNOW ANY CASE OF A PERSON SAVED WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE

Vicariate’s Pastoral Care for the sick website indicates all people on earth defacto do not need the baptism of water for salvation accomodating the Richard Cushing Error.

Two hospital chaplains of Catholic hospitals in Rome agree that we do not know any defacto case of a non Catholic saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance.

Don. Ivan says  we do not know a single such case in Rome. Also Fr.Tiziano also says there are defacto no such known cases.

Fr. Tiziano also accepts that  we do not know any case of a non Catholic saved in ‘imperfect communion’ with the Catholic Church or with ‘the seeds of the Word’ (Vatican Council II).

It may be mentioned that the Rome Vicariate's centre for the pastoral care of the sick has issued a booklet in which the Catholic teaching on the necessity of baptism suffers from the Richard Cushing Error. It is the error of assuming that those saved with the baptism of desire etc are explicitly known to us and so are a defacto  exception to the dogma outside the church there is no salvation.

To accommodate the Cushing Error, on page 8 of  ‘I sacramenti dell’ iniziazione cristiana’ , the booklet does not state that baptism is defacto needed for all. Instead it says it is only necessary for those who have had the Gospel preached to them and who have the means to ask for the Sacrament of baptism. (1) This is true only in principle, de jure. De facto we do not known any exceptions to the baptism of water. So every one on earth needs the baptism of water given to adults with Catholic Faith, to go to Heaven.

The booklet issued by the Centro Della pastorale sanitaria Della Diocesi di Roma says that a person can be saved without the baptism of water through the baptism of desire or the baptism of blood (martyrdom).(2). It does not clarify that these are possibilities, 'in certain circumstances' (Letter of the Holy Office 1949) and these cases are defacto not known to us. They are explicit only for God. The ordinary means of salvation is Catholic Faith and the baptism of water.(LG 14,AG 7). In general, the ordinary means of salvation is not the baptism of water and being saved in invincible ignorance.

 Pope Pius XII mentioned the dogma the infallible teaching (Letter of the Holy Office 1949). The dogma for centuries has been interpreted as saying all need to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation. The dogma does not mention any exceptions. The issue of baptism of desire and invincible ignorance emerged in only the 1940’s. It was the Archbishop of Boston and the Jesuits there who taught that those saved with the baptism of desire etc are exceptions to the dogma outside the church there is no salvation.

The Letter of the Holy Office 1949 was a criticism of the Archbishop since it mentioned the dogma which did not have any exceptions and since it mentioned the baptism of desire without claiming it was explicitly known to us.

The Rome Vicariate in saying that the baptism of desire etc are defacto exceptions is implying that there are defacto exceptions to a defined dogma and that it is also a contradiction of Vatican Council II (LG 14, AG 7).

There is no magisterial text which says that these cases are visible and known to us and that they are defacto exceptions.

The Vicariate has mixed up the de facto-dejure reasoning which is there within magisterial texts including the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Vatican Council II, the Letter of the Holy Office, Mystici Corporis of Pope Pius XII etc.

These Church documents do not assume that the baptism of desire etc are defacto but de jure, accepted in principle and known to God only. If these documents assumed that the baptism of desire was defacto known to us it would violate the philosophical Principle of Non Contradiction.

The booklet ‘I sacramenti dell’ iniziazione cristiana’ has good sound Catholic teaching except there is an error on the subject of the baptism of water being needed for all people in the present times for salvation.

A copy of the text in the booklet is also available on the website of the Vicariato, Rome.
http://www.vicariatusurbis.org/Sanita/DOCUMENTI/SUSSIDI/I%20sacramenti%20dell'iniziazione%20cristiana.pdf


-Lionel Andrades

ROME VICARIATE HIT BY THE RICHARD CUSHING ERROR : Centro Della pastorale sanitaria says the baptism of water is not defacto needed for the salvation of all on earth
 
CATHOLIC ANSWERS SUCCUMBS TO THE RICHARD CUSHING ERROR

MSGR.JOSEPH FENTON AND FR. WILLIAM MOST DID NOT NOTICE THE RICHARD CUSHING ERROR
 
USCCB REPORT MAKES ALLOWANCE FOR THE RICHARD CUSHING ERROR

CATHOLIC WRITERS STILL USE THE ARCHBISHOP RICHARD CUSHING ERROR

CATHOLICS UNITED FOR THE FAITH IMPLIES THOSE SAVED WITH THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE ARE VISIBLE,FR.LEONARD FEENEY WAS EXCOMMUNICATED FOR AFFIRMING THE SAME TEACHING AS SAINTS AND POPES

USCCB NOTIFICATION ON FR.PETER PHAN CONTAINS HERESY AND ECCLESIA DEI, CUF, CATHOLIC ANSWERS AND OTHERS ACCEPT IT

CARDINAL RATZINGER DID NOT VIOLATE THE PRINCIPLE OF NON CONTRADICTION AS CATHOLICS UNITED FOR THE FAITH IMPLY

FR.TULLIO ROTONDO AFFIRMS CANTATE DOMINO, COUNCIL OF FLORENCE ON EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS

See the difference!

VATICAN COUNCIL II SAYS OUTSIDE THE CATHOLIC CHURCH THERE IS NO SALVATION