Saturday, April 28, 2012

An 'irregular situation' in Manchester,Worcester and Boston?

Catholic diocesan priests in Worcester,Manchester and Boston may be denying the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and also,Vatican Council II (AG 7)which says all need Catholic Faith and the baptism of water for salvation.

For these priests all people on earth do not need the baptism of water since they assume that there are known cases who are exceptions to the dogma.The error may be unknown to them.

Since they assume that they know who are these exceptions, they believe only those non Catholics need the baptism of water for salvation, who know about Jesus and the Church.There is the obligation for them only and not for those who are in invincible ignorance etc and have/had been saved in 2012 or the recent years.

Since it is assumed there are known cases in 2012 who are exceptions to the dogma and AG 7 they say there can be non Catholics in Original Sin who can be saved without the baptism of water.


So what is the status of the priests who offer Holy Mass for the religious communities Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary,men and women? I don’t know.

The Slaves of the Immaculate heart of Mary in Los Angeles it is learnt have not asked to be recognized by the bishop and they cite the experience of the Sisters in Worcester who have been granted canonical status.The Sisters are probably told that implicit baptism of desire is an explicit exception to the literal interpretation of the dogma and that of Fr. Leonard Feeney.

For the bishops and priests of the diocese of Worceser,and also Manchester and Boston, how can they accept the literal interpretation of the dogma outside the church no salvation? Is not being saved in invincible ignorance the baptism of desire an exception for them?

And do they know of any case of someone being saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire?There will be no answer forthcoming.

So the issue remains- how can a priest who denies the centuries old interpretation of the dogma and also rejects Vatican Council II (AG 7) because of alleged exceptions, which he doesn’t know of, offer Mass?

Is this not an ‘irregular situation’ ?
-Lionel Andrades

Photos from the website Catholicism.org.Two Sisters Profess Final Vows. Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary

SSPX PRIESTS, SISTERS, SEMINARIANS JOIN THE SLAVES OF THE IMMACULATE HEART OF MARY: YOU WILL NOT HAVE TO AFFIRM A VISIBLE-TO -US -BAPTISM OF DESIRE

Members of the SSPX when they recite the Nicene Creed in the Profession of Faith say ‘I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin’.They really mean three baptisms.

They also have to believe irrationally in a visible baptism of desire. All this can be prevented in another traditionalist community in the USA.They require priests. The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary do not believe in a visible baptism of desire.They have no problem with the Nicene Creed.

The religious and lay persons of the Society of St.Pius X are commended for their affirmation of the tradtional teachings of the Catholic Church however they have one issue in common with the liberals, whom they correct. They assume that the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance is a defacto,explicit exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.This is irrational.Since we do not know any case of a non Catholic on earth in 2012 saved with the baptism of desire etc.

Then because they assume that there are three baptisms known to us in the present time, known to us in personal cases, they assume that there are three baptisms for the forgiveness of sin for all people on earth. Theoretically correct,dejure ( in principle) yes - but defacto this is not true. Explicitly in the present time there is only one baptism for the forgiveness of sin it is the baptism of water given to adults with the Catholic Faith. We can only administer the baptism of water and cannot give anyone the baptism of desire and neither do we know whom God will judge as a martyr(baptism of blood).

So when we pray ‘I believe in one baptism for the forgiveness of sin’ it means every one on earth needs the baptism of water for salvation,only.

The SSPX bishops and priests are not recognizing this issue in public. They are also critical of Vatican Council II’s teaching on other religions since they assume that Lumen Gentium 16(invincible ignorance) refers to explicit cases of non Catholics saved in invincible ignorance and this is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. They assume that Vatican Council II contradicts the literal interpretation of the dogma and so the traditional teaching on other religions.

The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary do not have this problem and they need priests in their community.They are served by a priest from the diocese.The diocese of Worcester,Manchester and Boston all assume, like the SSPX,  that implicit baptism of desire is an explicit exception to the literal interpretation of the dogma.

So priests who can affirm the literal, traditional intepretation of the dogma along with implicit baptism of desire, known only to God (and saved in a manner known only to God) could  switch to the Catholic religious community Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.Their services would be needed there and they can hold on to correct doctrine with a clear conscience.-Lionel Andrades

Photos from the website Catholicism.org.Two Sisters Final Vows

FR.PETER SCOTT OF THE SSPX STILL DOES NOT ANSWER WHILE FR.BRIAN HARRISON COMMENTS

Fr. Peter Scott, former Rector of the SSPX's Holy Cross Seminary in Australia, answers questions that may be in the minds of many.However he has not responded to this comment on the blog Ecclesia Miltans.Though there is a comment from Fr.Brian Harrison. His view on this subject too, would have been appreciated.

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"Fr. Peter Scott Answers"

Catholic Mission said...

Could Rev.Fr.Peter Scott respond to this blog post?
In Christ
Lionel Andrades

Friday, November 4, 2011
DOMINUS IESUS AFFIRMS EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS
Nothing in the document contradicts the dogma

Fr. Peter Scott, former, District Superior, Society of St. Pius X, USA wrote to Bishop Raymond Boland, now Emeritus Bishop of Kansas City, about Dominus Iesus in relation to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Bp Boland Letter.qxd www.sspx.org/.../Kansas_City_diocese.pdf


November 04, 2011 11:41 AM


Fr. Brian Harrison said...

How very sad it is that Fr. Scott maligns the new rite of Mass so unjustly!

Of course the rite approved by Paul VI and his successors is still the true propitiatory sacrifice of Calvary, offered in an unbloody manner! It is most certainly not just a Protestant-style "banquet" that offers no sacrifice other than that of human praise and thanksgiving.

If that were true, the new rite of Mass would be inrinsically invalid - something Archbishop Lefebvre himself never claimed.

In every celebration of the Novus Ordo there are at least four affirmations of the true sacrificial character of the Mass, and often five (the fifth one often being found in the "Prayer Over the Gifts" corresponding to the "Secret" in the traditional rite.

May God forgive Fr. Scott for this dreadfully unjust and misleading calumny against the Novus Ordo!

Fr. Brian Harrison, O.S.

St. Louis, Missouri

April 28, 2012 12:00 AM
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