Thursday, September 6, 2012

No protests at Cardinal Schonborn, Cardinal Koch and Archbishop Muller offering the Novus Ordo Mass

Fr.Brian Harrison has criticized SSPX’s Fr.Peter Scott. Since Fr.Scott criticized the Novus Ordo Mass. Fr.Harrison affirms the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.


Fr.Anthony Cekada ex-SSPX no more says that the supporters of Fr. Leonard Feeney, the St.Benedict Centers are in mortal sin for rejecting the baptism of desire. He knows there is no known-to-us baptism of desire in the present times.


Peter and Michael Dimond, sedevacantists of the Most Holy Family Monastery, I mentioned in the previous post, do not accept the baptism of desire since they assume that it would be a contradiction to  the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

If you talk to a priest of the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) he will probably still talk in terms of the baptism of desire being an explicit exception to the dogma on salvation.


The Archbishop of New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan is in outright heresy (material?) . He and most of the archdiocese do not realize that the baptism of desire is not visible to us. If they did  know this, they could dialogue with the sedevantists Peter and Michael Dimond in New York. The cardinal-archbishop and the sedevantists assume that the baptism of desire is visible to us.


The cardinals new theology and new ecumenism is based on the error of the visible baptism of desire. With this heresy he offers Holy Mass in English and no one protests.No one tells him that there can be no exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. There are no protests from  Fathers.Cekada, Peter Scott or Brian Harrison.


Tomorrow there is to be an ecumenical meeting at which the pope will be present.Participating cardinals and bishops will extol the new theology and new ecumenism based on the Richard Cushing error. This is the error  of being able to see the dead alive, saved in invincible ignorance or the baptism of desire. These ‘ghosts’ are supposed to be exceptions to extra ecclesiam nulla salus. Since there are known exceptions, for the Vatican Curia,  Protestants do not have to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation.


There will be no protests at Cardinal Schonborn, Cardinal Koch and Archbishop Muller offering the Novus Ordo Mass and heretically denying the defined dogma on salvation, Vatican Council II (AG 7) and other magisterial documents which must be firmly believed in like Dominus Iesus 20.
-Lionel Andrades

THE DIMOND BROTHERS WERE WRONG ON THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE BEING VISIBLE. COULD THEY ALSO BE WRONG ON THEIR CRITICISM OF THE NOVUS ORDO MASS ?

THE DIMOND BROTHERS WERE WRONG ON THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE BEING VISIBLE. COULD THEY ALSO BE WRONG ON THEIR CRITICISM OF THE NOVUS ORDO MASS ?

The SSPX priest Fr. Peter Scott and Fr.Francois Laisney were wrong in assuming that there was a visible baptism of desire. Could Fr.Scott also be wrong about the Holy Mass in the vernacular?

This is the question raised in comments on a post on this blog.(1)

Peter and Michael Dimond, sedevacantists of the Most Holy Family Monastery do not accept the baptism of desire since they assume that it would be a contradiction of the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

If you talk to an SSPX priest he will probably still talk in terms of the baptism of desire being an explicit exception to the dogma on salvation.Could he also be wrong on the Novos Ordo Mass?

Even the supporters of Fr.Leonard Feeney will say theologically that there is no baptism of desire.For them there could be implicit desire followed by the baptism of water. They will not admit in public that there is no visible baptism of desire.Neither will they admit that being saved with implicit desire followed by the baptism of water is not visible to us.


If it is not visible to us then it is irrelevant to Fr.Leonard Feeney's literal interpretation of the dogma .Neither have they corrected the SSPX priests and sedevacantists by using this approach to the issue.

We do  not know any one saved with implicit desire followed by the baptism of water but we know that every one needs the baptism of water with Catholic Faith for salvation since the Church says so through Vatican Council II (AG 7), the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, the Syllabus of Errors, Dominus Iesus 20, the Catechism of the Catholic Chruch 845,846, Redemptoris Missio 55 etc and John 3:5, Mk.16:16.It's the Holy Spirit who guides the Catholic Chruch.-Lionel Andrades
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DIMOND BROTHERS ASSUME THE BAPTISM OF DESIRE IS VISIBLE TO US AND SO CRITICIZE JOHN SALZA
I can affirm the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus alongwith implicit baptism of desire etc and I do not have to become a sedevacantist. They can do the same.