Wednesday, November 14, 2012

FR.LEONARD FEENEY'S COMMUNITIES OF NO HELP TO THE SSPX

The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Still River,MA,USA are still not answering two questions since they believe implicit desire is explicit and visible for us and so they assume that Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.


If they answer the question:'Do we know anyone in 2012 saved with implicit desire' the answer will be NO - but there is no answer from them.

Then 'if we do not know any of these cases in 2012 can there be exceptions to the dogma?'.There answer should be 'No. There are no exceptions.' They do not respond.

If we do not know any of these cases in 2012 and since they are not exceptions to the dogma then implicit baptism of desire is compatible with the strict interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.It is also then possible that a person can be saved without the Sacraments and this does contradict the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

So the ordinary way of salvation for all is Catholic Faith and the baptism of water (AG 7) and if someone is saved without the Sacraments (CCC 1257) it does not contradict the ordinary way; it does not contradict the traditional and literal interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

This puts Vatican Council II in a new perspective.

If being saved in invincible ignorance and a good conscience (LG 16), or seeds of the Word(AG 11) or 'elements of sanctification' (LG 8) are not known to us in particular cases in 2012, then they are not exceptions to the dogma.

There is nothing else in Vatican Council II which could contradict the dogma according to Fr.Leonard Feeney.

When Vatican Council II affirms extra ecclesiam nulla salus it is in accord with Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Still River,Ma and Fr.Leonard Feeney's position on other religions and ecumenism.

This is the same position as the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) and other traditionalists.

Presently, amid the SSPX crisis, the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary, Fr.Leonard Feeney's communities, are of no help.They assume implicit cases in Vatican Council II are explicit and so the Council is modernist and contradicts the dogma on salvation.This is the same error being made by Bishop Bernard Fellay and the SSPX.

I agree with the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary when they say there are only Catholics in Heaven. All who are saved are saved with the baptism of water-  and for adults, Catholic Faith and the baptism of water.It means for salvation all non Christians(Hindus,Buddhists etc) need the baptism of water and Catholic Faith for salvation and all non Catholic adults (Protestants, Orthodox Christians, Pentecostals etc) need Catholic Faith with the baptism of water, which they already have.

However, implicit desire is part of the Deposit of Faith and this is accepted by the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary.Explicit implicit desire is irrational and this is a point they need to clarify.

If they can say that implicit desire is always implicit for us then they are in a position to interpret Vatican Council II as a traditional Council and a continuation with the past , especially with reference to other religions.-Lionel Andrades

The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary Still River,MA are still not answering the question Do we know any one on earth saved with the baptism of desire?

The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary Still River,MA  are still not answering the question: do we know any one on earth saved with the baptism of desire?  and so implicitly how can the baptism of desire be an exception to the dogma on salvation?

I posted this question in the com box of the St.Benedict Center,Still Rivers (Request Information). I asked the Sisters this question and posted the link (1).

A few months back I asked Bro. Thomas Augustine MICM  at St.Benedict Center, Still River, this same question - and he did not answer and has still not answered.
-Lionel Andrades

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The Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary are not answering the question: Do we know any one on earth saved with the baptism of desire?
Implicitly how can the baptism of desire be an exception to the dogma on salvation?


American seminarian


Yesterday morning I was talking to an American seminarian at the North American College, Rome we were walking in the direction of the Gregorian University where he was studying theology. It was just six months for him in Rome.I told him I believed that all the non Catholics in Rome were oriented to Hell and asked him if he shared my belief.
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He said we cannot judge . I agreed with him. I personally cannot judge but I hold this belief because this is the teaching of the Catholic Church. He asked me to explain myself. So I quoted Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14), the Catechism of the Catholic Church (845,846) Dominus Iesus 20 and the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

I mentioned that LG 16,LG 8,AG 11 are not exceptions to AG 7 and LG 14 since we do not known any of these cases in 2012. So there are no exceptions to AG 7 which says all need faith and baptism for salvation. All means all.

So since the Church inspired by the Holy Spirit says that they all need to convert for salvation I hold the same view.


This was the first time in his life that he heard all this!-Lionel Andrades