Propaganda begins

'At the Second Vatican Council during the 1960s, the Catholic Church passed a number of reforms and redefined its relationship with other confessions and religions, including Judaism. The SSPX rejects the reforms of the council', according to the World Jewish Congress.

This is the usual Jewish Left propaganda.

Where is the text in Vatican Council II which redefined the Catholic Church's 'relationship with other confessions and other religions' ?

They probably mean that Lumen Gentium 16 ( being saved in invincible ignorance etc) is an exception to the centuries old interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus.Implicit salvation is explicit and visible for us and so these cases are known exceptions to the dogma-Lionel Andrades   http://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/news/12869/pius_brotherhood_leader_calls_jews_enemies_of_the_catholic_church

The only real doctrinal issue between Fr.Arnaud Rostand and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith is that of the false premise in Vatican Council II.

 Fr. Arnaud Rostand is interviewed by Gloria TV and  The Remnant newspaper.Neither does Gloria TV, The Remnant or the Society of St.Pius X(SSPX) Superior in the USA, realize that they are using a false premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II and this is the only doctrinal issue or error.

If it is said that Vatican Council II contradicts the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors then it is implied that the false premise is being used by the person interpreting the Council.The false premise is assuming that the dead saved in invincible ignorance etc are visible exceptions to the dogma on salvation.Irrational? Yes but this is the false premise being used.

This is the basis for the Jewish Left saying often that Vatican Council II has ushered in a 'revolution' in the Catholic Church.

When Wikipedia for instance says Lumen Gentium 16 ( invincible ignorance and a good conscience) is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, they mean, one can see cases on earth saved in invincible ignorance etc.If we did not know these cases obviously they would not be 'exceptions'.

This is the key doctrinal issue omitted in the Vatican-SSPX talks.The actual doctrinal issue which makes the Council traditional or modernist was not discussed.-Lionel Andrades

http://www.sspx.org/district_superiors_letters.htm

http://www.sspx.org/District_Superiors_Ltrs/against_the_rumors_fr_rostand_interview_6-11-2012.htm

The 'enemies of the Church' are using the false premise: Fr.Arnaud Rostand misses this point

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/01/the-enemies-of-church-are-using-false.html#links

The 'enemies of the Church' are using the false premise: Fr.Arnaud Rostand misses this point

The false premise is " I can see the dead saved in invincible ignorance,seeds of the word, imperfect communion with the Church etc'

The error of the 'enemies of the church' is to presume that implicit salvation is explicit and so is an exception to Tradition.

The Jewish Left is using the false premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II and Fr. Arnaud Rostand is not identifying it.

Fr.Arnaud Rostand, Superior of the U.S District of the Society of St.Pius X (SSPX) has said that Bishop Bernard Fellay was referring to the head of Jewish organisations, Masons and Modernists and not Jews in general.(1)

The point he missed out is that 'the enemies of the Church' like the Jewish Anti Defamation League (ADL) and the leftist Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) are using a false premise in the interpretation of Vatican Council II.Without the false premise of the dead saved and visible to us  who are supposedly exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus, Vatican Council II would emerge anti Semitic for the Jewish Left.

This is the key doctrinal issue between the SSPX and the Jewish Left and the SSPX and the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

How long more before the U.S District Superior acknowledges it?

Fr. Arnaud Rostand could have announced, contrary to the political policy of the SSPX, that there are no known cases on earth of the dead who are saved and who are exceptions to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus. So there is nothing in Vatican Council II which contradicts the traditional teaching of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre on other religions and ecumenism.

Only when it is assumed that there are dead men walking on the streets, saved in invincible ignorance etc, can it be implied (wrongly) that  Vatican Council II  says there are exceptions to the dogma on exclusive salvation in the Catholic Church.

Instead  Ad Gentes 7 says all need faith and baptism for salvation-and we know there are no exceptions mentioned in Vatican Council II. Since LG 16 (invincible ignorance and a good conscience) is not an exception to Ad Gentes 7 or to anything.

Vatican Council II is traditional but the secular media projects it as non traditional, while using the false premise.

-Lionel Andrades

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SSPX says enemies of the Church are the heads of the Jewish organisations, Masons and modernists and not the Jewish people in general

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/01/sspx-says-enemies-of-church-are-heads.html

Doctrinally the SSPX is in agreement with Vatican Council II without the false premise: if they don’t genuflect before the Chief Rabbi is another issue

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/01/doctrinally-sspx-is-in-agreement-with.html

QUESTIONS FOR THE SSPX LEADERSHIP

http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/01/questions-for-sspx-leadership.html