Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Rabbi Francis ?

http://cathcon.blogspot.it/2013/03/rabbi-bergoglio.html

When Michael Voris asked Fr.Jonathan Morris who are the exceptions was he also referring to the Jewish Left. ? He was saying there are no exceptions.Church Militant TV was saying all need to convert into the Church for salvation. This would also include the Jews seen in the picture here.

According to the SSPX-SO website  the Pope is seen with his head covered and lighting a candle on a mennorah-like candle stand in the cathedral.
-Lionel Andrades

Michael Voris' question to Fr.Jonathan Morris could be directed to the Archbishop of New York and the Jesuits, Domicans and Franciscans
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/03/michael-voris-question-to-frjonathan_19.html#links

Vision of Hell - Venerable Bede

Vision of Hell - Venerable Bede
"A certain man," says Ven. Bede, "fell sick and died in the beginning of the night. Next morning, early, he suddenly came to life again, and sat up. He told the people what he had seen.

'I was led,' he said, 'into a dark place. When I came into it, the darkness grew so thick that I could see nothing but the form of him who led me. I saw a great many balls of black fire rising up out of a deep pit and falling back again. I saw that there were souls shut up in these balls of fire.
The smell which came out of the pit was unbearable. He who led me into this place went away. So I stood there in great fright, not knowing what to do. All at once I heard behind me voices crying and lamenting most fearfully.

I heard other voices mocking and laughing. These voices came nearer and nearer to me, and grew louder and louder. Then I saw that those who were laughing and rejoicing were devils. These devils were dragging along with them souls of men which were howling and lamenting. Amongst them I saw a man and a woman. The devils dragged these souls down into the pit, I could not hear their voices so well.

After a while, some of these dark spirits came up again from the flaming pit. They ran forward and came round me. I was terribly frightened by their flaming eyes, and the stinking fire which came out of their mouths and nostrils. They seemed as if they would lay hold of me with burning tongs, which they held in their hands. I looked around me for help. Just then I saw something like a star shining in the darkness.

The light came from him who had brought me into this place. When he came near, the devils went away.

Then he said: 'That fiery, stinking pit which you saw is the mouth of hell, and whosoever goes into it shall never come out again. Go back to your body and live among men again. Examine your actions well, and speak and behave so that you may be with the blessed in heaven.' When he had said this, on a sudden, I found myself alive again amongst men."
- taken from The Sight of Hell, by Father John Furniss


Further Reading
St John Bosco's - road to Hell
http://christtotheworld.blogspot.com/2010/02/st-john-boscos-dream-vision-of-hell.html

Terrifying vision of Hell - given to Sr Lucy - Our Lady of Fatima
http://christtotheworld.blogspot.com/2010/02/terrifying-vision-of-hell-july-13th.html

St Teresa of Avila - the room created by the Devil for her
http://christtotheworld.blogspot.com/2010/02/room-devil-had-prepared-for-me-st.html


http://www.spiritdaily.com/hellversions.htm

http://christtotheworld.blogspot.it/search/label/VISION%20OF%20HELL

Michael Voris' question to Fr.Jonathan Morris could be directed to the Archbishop of New York and the Jesuits, Domicans and Franciscans

There has been no apology from Fr.Jonathan Morris since he is following the policy set by the Archbishop of New York Cardinal Timothy Dolan.

Michael Voris could also ask the Jesuit, Dominicans and Franciscans to name names of anyone who does need to enter the Church for salvation. Exactly who does not have to be Catholic ? Which souls are better of without full communion with the Church ? Please identify the individuals ?

Michael Voris could put the question, he asked Fr.Jonathan Morris, to the Jesuits, Dominicans and Franciscans and then ask them what is the basis for their rejection of Vatican Council II (AG 7) and extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
There have been many reports and articles by priests and sisters in which they have assumed the baptism of desire and being saved in invincible ignorance are exceptions (known personally) to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and to Vatican Council II (AG 7,LG 14).
Where does Nostra Aetate,Vatican Council II state that non Catholics do not have to convert in general or that we know a particular case who is an exception to extra ecclesiam nulla salus ? How can Nostra Aetate contradict AG 7 and LG 14? Vatican Council II contradicts itself ?


Archbishop Timothy Dolan affirms the Catholic Faith on social and moral issues. Can he also affirm extra ecclesiam nulla salus. If he cannot, like Fr.Jonathan Morris his media spokesman, then ask him to name some exception.

The Archbishop of New York, the Jesuits, Dominicans, Franciscans and others are all assuming that there are known exceptions to the dogma on salvation and to Vatican Council II (AG 7).


SBC, SSPX, FSSP ANNOUNCE THAT WE CANNOT NAME ANY PERSON WHO IS AN EXCEPTION TO EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS AND VATICAN COUNCIL II

SBC, SSPX, FSSP ANNOUNCE THAT WE CANNOT NAME ANY PERSON WHO IS AN EXCEPTION TO EXTRA ECCLESIAM NULLA SALUS AND VATICAN COUNCIL II



No one can name names.The communities of Fr.Leonard Feeney and the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX), and other 
traditionalists,could announce that being saved in invincible ignorance, the baptism of desire, seeds of the Word, imperfect communion with the Church etc are hypothetical and invisible - we cannot name any such person in the present times.This changes the entire concept of Vatican Council II which is common.This is a big breakthrough in seeing Vatican Council II as traditional with regard to other religions and Christian communities.

All this time the communities of Fr.Leonard Feeney, the St.Benedict Centers, the SSPX,FSSP and other traditionalists, and also sedevacantists, have interpreted Vatican Council II as a break with the past.Since for them, salvation mentioned as a possibility, in Vatican Council II, was considered an actuality and known in personal cases.So when faced with Michael Voris' question: 'Can you name any such case ?',there is a big blank.It's about three weeks and there is no news from Fr.Jonathan Morris.He has not responded to the Church Militant TV video of March1,2013,'What Did He Just Say?'

If one  cannot name any person saved with the baptism of desire, how can the baptism of desire be a known exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus ? How can something invisible and hypothetical be an exception to all (AG 7) needing to be visible members of the Church for salvation ?
Pope Francis drives through the crowds before his inaugural mass on 19 March 2013.

Pope Francis like many Jesuits, is expected to interpret Vatican Council II as a break with the past. He will assume that Lumen Gentium 16 (invincible ignorance etc) refers to cases physically visible and known in 2013. Traditionalists have to show him that we cannot name any such case.If the pope cannot  name anybody in the present times, then there are no exceptions in Vatican Council II to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.

Lumen Gentium 16 will not contradict Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II which says all need 'faith and baptism' for salvation.For the Jesuits, Vatican Council II contradicts itself.

The communities of Fr.Leonard Feeney, the Slaves of the Immaculate Heart of Mary have been saying that there are no exceptions to the dogma on salvation.This was also the view of the SSPX in their General Chapter statement last year.However there still is confusion.Confusion among traditionalists at the St.Benedict Center. Also with the SSPX.Neither was this issue covered in the SSPX-Vatican doctrinal talks because of the confusion.
The SSPX and the liberals will have to stop criticizing the communities of Fr.Leonard Feeney.Since, if you cannot 'name any names' the baptism of desire is not an exception to the literal interpretation of Fr.Leonard Feeney.The baptism of desire is irrelevant to the dogma. So what if Fr.Feeney rejected the baptism of desire ? This is the big lie of the secular media since the time of Archbishop Richard Cushing in Boston.


No magisterial text states that being saved with the baptism of desire or in invincible ignorance is physically visible  to us.No Church-document states that it is an exception to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus.The media has assumed it is.The SSPX has accepted this lie.Fr.Leonard Feeney was excommunicated for disobedience.It was not for heresy.He was not asked to recant by the Church when the excommunication was lifted.

Traditionalists need to clarify this issue, of not being able to name names.Clarify it for Pope Francis and the whole world.Every one needs to convert into the Catholic Church for salvation (John 3:5,Mark 16:16) and there are no exceptions.So if Pope Francis assumes that there are exceptions to the Great Commission, on the need for all to convert into the Church,then it is the responsibility of the traditionalists, and others, to show him the error.


The SBC and the SSPX must state in public  that we do not know anyone in 2013; we cannot name anyone,who is an exception to the dogmatic teaching and to Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II.
-Lionel Andrades
Feast of St.Joseph

March 18, 2013
Michael Voris' question to Fr.Jonathan Morris could also be directed to the communities of Fr.Leonard Feeney, the St.Benedict Centers
http://eucharistandmission.blogspot.it/2013/03/michael-voris-question-to-frjonathan.html#links