Wednesday, May 15, 2013

“It’s only when we show the (abortion) graphics, pictures and the reality that people will be moved in their hearts"- Van der Wende

 
.- Pro-lifers who had just finished the third annual Italian March for Life on Sunday were surprised to see Pope Francis coming toward them in the popemobile.

“It was a great joy for us because we didn’t expect this at all, we just expected his message,” said March for Life organizer Virginia Coda Nunziante.

“It was extraordinary because I met the people who unexpectedly saw him coming,” she told CNA on May 13.

The popemobile brought the Pope down the first block of Via della Conciliazione after he finished his first canonization Mass and the weekly Regina Caeli prayer on Sunday.

May 12 was also the day that around 20,000 pro-lifers from Italy and beyond converged on Rome to defend the unborn and call for an end to abortion in the country.

Their route took them from the Coliseum to Castel Sant’ Angelo, which sits on the end of Via della Conciliazione. A large number of the pro-lifers then continued down the street to be present for Pope Francis reciting the Regina Caeli.

Before praying the Marian prayer, the Pope acknowledged the presence of the group.

“I greet the participants of the March for Life which took place this morning in Rome and invite everyone to stay focused on the important issue of respect for human life, from the moment of conception,” he said.

“I think Pope Francis understands the importance of this and he encourages all Catholics to stand up against abortion,” said Coda Nunziante.

Speakers at the march included the Mayor of Rome, Giovanni Alemanno, well-known American pro-life activist Lila Rose, and the president of the U.S. March for Life, Jeanne Monahan.

But one speaker at the event, a Chinese seminarian who wore sunglasses and asked participants not to take his picture, stood out because he gave his testimony without revealing his identity.

“His words were very touching and he spoke about what is happening in China where over 400 million babies have been aborted in 40 years,” Coda Nunziante recalled.

Irene Van der Wende, who was conceived in rape and aborted her baby after she was also raped at age 15, also spoke out against abortion at the Coliseum.

“I’ve come here to educate the public about what abortion does to children,” said Van der Wende.

“It’s only when we show the graphics, pictures and the reality that people will be moved in their hearts,” she told CNA.

The event’s main speaker was Jeanne Monahan, the president of the U.S. March for life, who said she thinks the annual American gathering is the largest civil demonstration in the world.

“But coming here is amazing,” Monahan said.

“Italians’ understanding of being involved in the public sphere is very different to ours, so this is pretty new to them,” she commented.

For Monahan “it’s also fascinating to be in Rome” because she is Catholic.

“Italians are a little shy and discouraged to get involved because of the culture of death. So everything that we can do makes a huge difference,” said Monahan.

“I also think it’s beautifully ironic that today is Mother’s Day in Italy and in the U.S. because the call to many women is to be a mother, either spiritually or physically,” she said, summing up the holiday.

On the other hand, “abortion is the most anti-woman thing that anyone could every do,” Monahan stated.-CNA/EWTN

Martyrs of Oranto

Robert Sungenis and Peter and Michael Dimond : you can't have your cake and eat it too- yes you can!

Robert Sungenis would agree with Lumen Gentium 51.


51. This Sacred Council accepts with great devotion this venerable faith of our ancestors regarding this vital fellowship with our brethren who are in heavenly glory or who having died are still being purified; and it proposes again the decrees of the Second Council of Nicea,(20*) the Council of Florence (21*) and the Council of Trent.(22*) And at the same time, in conformity with our own pastoral interests, we urge all concerned, if any abuses, excesses or defects have crept in here or there, to do what is in their power to remove or correct them, and to restore all things to a fuller praise of Christ and of God. Let them therefore teach the faithful that the authentic cult of the saints consists not so much in the multiplying of external acts, but rather in the greater intensity of our love, whereby, for our own greater good and that of the whole Church, we seek from the saints "example in their way of life, fellowship in their communion, and aid by their intercession."(23*) On the other hand, let them teach the faithful that our communion with those in heaven, provided that it is understood in the fuller light of faith according to its genuine nature, in no way weakens, but conversely, more thoroughly enriches the latreutic worship we give to God the Father, through Christ, in the Spirit.(24*)

He would  also believe that there are exceptions to LG 51, the Council of Florence on extra ecclesiam nulla salus. You cannot have it both ways, for him.
For Robert Sungenis there are visible-to-us cases of people saved in invincible ignorance and implicit desire. These are exceptions to the Council of Florence, Cantate Domino 1441. Of course they would be if they are visible!.
He would say that he accepts the Council of Florence and also the irrationality of being able to see exceptions, which the Council of Florence does not mention in the text of Cantate Domino, extra ecclesiam nulla salus.
The sedevacantists Peter and Michael Dimond, of the Most Holy Family Monastery,N.Y,USA also accept the Council of Florence.However they reject implicit desire since they too, like Sungenis, assume that these cases are visible to us.They are visible exceptions to the Council of Florence on the defined dogma.
The Dimonds do not even accept implicit desire as a possibility. It does not exist for them.Since if these cases existed they would be physically visible for them and so be an exception to Cantate Domino.Sungenis accepts these cases,visible, and does not think there is a contradiction.
So both Robert Sungenis and Peter and Michael Dimond assume that these cases are not invisible but can be personally known for us, to be exceptions to the Council of Florence.
Peter and Michael Dimond reject implicit desire mentioned in the Council of Trent and think nothing about it.
Robert Sungenis and Peter and Michael Dimond do not realize that you can have your cake and also eat it too on this issue.
 
 
One can hold the literal interpretation of the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and also accept invisible-to-us implicit desire and being saved in invincible ignorance.
Similarly Catholic religous communities can proclaim the traditional interpretation of the thrice defined dogma (as it was known to Fr.Leonard Feeney of Boston)  and also accept the possibility of a person being saved implicitly in invisible to us baptism of desire or invincible ignorance.No contradiction of the law of contradiction here.It does not have to be either this or that.
You can eat your cake and also have it too on this issue!
-Lionel Andrades