Wednesday, June 12, 2013

Catechism of the Catholic Church affirms traditional salvation theology : "Outside the Church there is no salvation" (pamphlet)


The Catechism of the Catholic Church says all need to enter the Catholic Church with 'faith and baptism' and one ' enters as through a door.' The sub title in the Catechism is, "Outside the Church there is no salvation" . It is in the Church that 'men enter' for salvation (1)
Recently Pope Francis said that one cannot find Jesus outside of the Catholic Church. He is in accord with the Second Vatican Council (AG 7) which says all need faith and baptism for salvation. All. The Catechism does not say that we know of any exception or that there are exceptions. The Catechism says all.Without exception.

In 2013 we do not know anyone who does not need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation (to avoid hell). We do not know the name of anyone who has received salvation outside of the Catholic Church.

We do not know ' who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it ... ' (AG 7), who have had 'the Gospel preached to them' (AG 7) and ' those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel ' (AG 7). These cases are known only to God. They are possibilities but not exceptions 'to all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body' (AG 7).

The Catechism say all need to enter the Catholic Church with 'faith and baptism', they need to enter the Church 'as through a door'.They need to enter the Church with visible Catholic faith and visible baptism of water.

'all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body' is not in conflict with ' men enter through Baptism as through a door' or ' the necessity of faith and Baptism' (AG 7).It is not in conflict with 'the necessity of the Church' in which all need to convert.(Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441, Extra Ecclesia Nulla Salus).It is not in conflict with the thrice defined dogma on salvation.

All Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and people of other religions need to enter the Catholic Church to go to Heaven. All Protestants and Orthodox Christians need Catholic Faith for salvation.(AG 7, CCC 846)

The Catechism of the Catholic Church affirms the traditional theology of salvation.So does the Second Vatican Council.(AG 7).-Lionel Andrades

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"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm

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The Second Vatican Council says:

Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II.
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All need to enter the Catholic Church with Catholic faith and baptism of water.
Everyone? Yes every one since we do not know anyone in 2013 saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16), or, who is going to be saved in invincible ignorance.
Neither ' seeds of the verb ' (AG 11).
Neither ' elements of sanctification and of truth '.(LG 8)
Nor what is 'good and holy' in other religions.(NA 2)
Nor those saved in 'imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church'.(UR 3).
There are no exceptions. These cases (above) are not exceptions.They are known only to God.They are all possibilities but not exceptions.
Why are they not exceptions? Since we cannot see any of these cases.They are in heaven.I cannot see them with the naked eye.I cannot meet them personally.
When they do not exist in real life they are not exceptions.In reality we cannot name them or count the number.
We do not know any case 'who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it,'(AG 7), those who, 'made known by the Church's preaching...'(AG 7) ' those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel '(AG 7) who were saved.(1) .So all pagans, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Protestants, Evangelicals, Protestants sects, Orthodox Christians and others need to enter the Catholic Church. The Christians have the baptism of water but not Catholic Faith.-Lionel Andrades

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Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6), yet a necessity lies upon the Church (1 Cor. 9:16), and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel. And hence missionary activity today as always retains its power and necessity.-Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II (emphasis added)

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Interpreting Vatican Council II according to Tradition
There are two interpretations of Vatican Council II.One is rational and in agreement with Tradition.The other is irrational and a break with Tradition.
The rational one says all need to convert into the Catholic Church.The irrational one says not all but only those who know about Jesus and have had the Gospel preached to them, who need to enter the Church or be damned.
The rational interpretation would cite Ad Gentes 7, Vatican Council II and say all need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation. They would need to enter the Church visibly; with visible Catholic Faith and visible baptism of water.This is in agreement with Tradition, the dogma on salvation and the Syllabus of Errors.The irrational interpretation could cite Ad Gentes 7 and claim that all need to enter the Church who know. Only those who know.
In principle those who know would need to enter the Church. In reality we do not know any such case who is saved in 2013.In theory yes. In practise there is no such case known which contradicts Tradition.
The irrational interpretation assumes that we can judge who knows and who does not. This makes it irrational. Since only God can judge who knows and who is in inculpable ignorance.
The rational interpretation says all need to enter the Church. The irrational one claims there are exceptions to all needing to enter the church.The exceptions are based on being able to know or see the dead, who are now saved in inculpable ignorance.This is not real!
This makes it irrational.We cannot see the dead on earth.The irrational interpretation is also a break with Tradition since it uses the premise of being able to see the dead, then assumes these cases, are known exceptions to Tradition i.e to the dogma extra ecclesiam nulla salus and the Syllabus of Errors.
So we can choose between the two interpretations of Vatican Council II one which is rational and in accord with Tradition and the other which is not.
Most people today choose the irrational and non traditional interpretation and they are supported by the liberal media.
Vatican Council II in itself is traditional just like the Letter of the Holy Office 1949 relative to Fr.Leonard Feeney. We do not know anyone saved in invincible ignorance and the baptism of desire in 2013. The added on irrational premise makes the Council liberal and a break with the past.
Similarly we do not know anyone saved in imperfect communion with the Church (UR 3), seeds of the Word (AG 11), good and holy things in non Catholic religions (NA 2), a good conscience (LG 16) etc.If we claimed we personally did know these cases, then it would be irrational and a break with Tradition.
Archbishop Augustine Di Noia, Vice Prefect, Ecclesia Dei says Vatican Council II can be interpreted according to Tradition and has asked the Society of St.Pius X to accept the Council.Perhaps this is what he means.-Lionel Andrades

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“It is not possible to find Jesus outside the Church”-Pope Francis
Pope: Mass on Feast of St. George 2013-04-23 Vatican Radio
(Vatican Radio) “It is not possible to find Jesus outside the Church”: this was Pope Francis’ message as he marked his name day, the Feast of St. George, this Tuesday celebrating Mass in the Pauline Chapel with the Cardinals present in Rome. Emer McCarthy reports:
…Commenting on the readings of the day, the Holy Father highlighted three aspects of the Church: Its missionary activity, born of persecution; the fact that it is a Mother Church which gifts us the faith that is our identity and that you cannot find Jesus outside of the Church; the joy of belonging to the Church bringing Jesus to others. In short the joy of being an evangelizer:
(Please feel free to make copies. No permission is  required. Distribute it as a personal pamphlet in your parish-Lionel Andrades )
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Catechism of the Catholic Church affirms traditional salvation theology : "Outside the Church there is no salvation"

The Catechism of the Catholic Church says all need to enter the Catholic Church with 'faith and baptism' and one ' enters as through a door.' The sub title in the Catechism is, "Outside the Church there is no salvation" . It is in the Church that 'men enter' for salvation (1)

Recently Pope Francis said that one cannot find Jesus outside of the Catholic Church. He is in accord with the Second Vatican Council (AG 7) which says all need faith and baptism for salvation. All. The Catechism does not say that we know of any exception or that there are exceptions. The Catechism says all.Without exception.

In 2013 we do not know anyone who does not need to enter the Catholic Church for salvation (to avoid hell). We do not know the name of anyone who has received salvation outside of the Catholic Church.

We do not know ' who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it ... ' (AG 7), who have had 'the Gospel preached to them' (AG 7) and ' those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel ' (AG 7). These cases are known only to God. They are possibilities but not exceptions 'to all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body' (AG 7).

The Catechism say all need to enter the Catholic Church with 'faith and baptism', they need to enter the Church 'as through a door'.They need to enter the Church with visible Catholic faith and visible baptism of water.

'all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body' is not in conflict with ' men enter through Baptism as through a door' or ' the necessity of faith and Baptism' (AG 7).It is not in conflict with 'the necessity of the Church' in which all need to convert.(Cantate Domino, Council of Florence 1441, Extra Ecclesia Nulla Salus).It is not in conflict with the thrice defined dogma on salvation.

All Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and people of other religions need to enter the Catholic Church to go to Heaven. All Protestants and Orthodox Christians need Catholic Faith for salvation.(AG 7, CCC 846)

The Catechism of the Catholic Church affirms the traditional theology of salvation.So does the Second Vatican Council.(AG 7).-Lionel Andrades

1.
"Outside the Church there is no salvation"
846 How are we to understand this affirmation, often repeated by the Church Fathers?335 Re-formulated positively, it means that all salvation comes from Christ the Head through the Church which is his Body:
Basing itself on Scripture and Tradition, the Council teaches that the Church, a pilgrim now on earth, is necessary for salvation: the one Christ is the mediator and the way of salvation; he is present to us in his body which is the Church. He himself explicitly asserted the necessity of faith and Baptism, and thereby affirmed at the same time the necessity of the Church which men enter through Baptism as through a door. Hence they could not be saved who, knowing that the Catholic Church was founded as necessary by God through Christ, would refuse either to enter it or to remain in it.336
http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p123a9p3.htm

All

The Second Vatican Council says: 
Therefore, all must be converted to Him, made known by the Church's preaching, and all must be incorporated into Him by baptism and into the Church which is His body. For Christ Himself "by stressing in express language the necessity of faith and baptism (cf. Mark 16:16; John 3:5), at the same time confirmed the necessity of the Church, into which men enter by baptism, as by a door.-Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II.
All
All need to enter the Catholic Church with Catholic faith and baptism of water.
Everyone?  Yes every one since we do not know anyone in 2013 saved in invincible ignorance (LG 16), or, who is going to be saved in invincible ignorance.
Neither  ' seeds of the verb ' (AG 11).
Neither ' elements of sanctification and of truth '.(LG 8)
Nor  what is 'good and holy' in other religions.(NA 2)
Nor  those saved in 'imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church'.(UR 3).
There are no exceptions. These cases (above) are not exceptions.They are known only to God.They are all possibilities but not exceptions.
Why are they not  exceptions? Since we cannot see  any of  these cases.They are in heaven.I cannot see them with the naked eye.I cannot meet them personally.
 When they do not exist in real life they are not exceptions.In reality we cannot name them or count the number.
We do not know any case 'who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it,'(AG 7), those who, 'made known by the Church's preaching...'(AG 7) ' those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel '(AG 7) who were saved.(1) . So all pagans, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Protestants, Evangelicals, Protestants sects, Orthodox Christians and others need to enter the Catholic Church. The Christians have the  baptism of water but not Catholic Faith.-Lionel Andrades

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Therefore those men cannot be saved, who though aware that God, through Jesus Christ founded the Church as something necessary, still do not wish to enter into it, or to persevere in it."(17) Therefore though God in ways known to Himself can lead those inculpably ignorant of the Gospel to find that faith without which it is impossible to please Him (Heb. 11:6), yet a necessity lies upon the Church (1 Cor. 9:16), and at the same time a sacred duty, to preach the Gospel. And hence missionary activity today as always retains its power and necessity.-Ad Gentes 7,Vatican Council II (emphasis added)

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